you do realize that we didnt have much choice but to play that way this year. That was the ONLY way we were going to be successful. We have 1 good defensive lineman in Dorsey. He played his ass off, after that, that was it. We had to sell out on the things the other guys do best, we just didnt have the Talent. I hope Jax playes better next year, he shined at times towards the end of the year, i hope he has that 3rd year turn around next year. We had only 1 pass rusher thats it.


Crennel did what was in the best interest of the team this year. We need some push up the midde in the worst way.

Crennel didnt do anything exotic because he couldnt and he didnt have the players.

Just remember how shitty we were the previous 10 years and the stride they made in just 1 ****ing year.

Brady had a terrific year with Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney as his #1 and #2
Brees once had a WR corps so depleted, Terrence Copper was a starter
While Peyton has Reggie Wayne, he was on, what, his 20th string WR?

Good QBs make average WRs great. We shouldn't have to line this roster up with superstars in order to get production out of the most important player on the field.

I remember people on this board laughing at Arizona for going with the washed-up Warner over Leinart. Warner's career was resurrected in Arizona, and some of credit has to go to Haley, I'd think.

Excellent post.

You're comparing resurrecting the career of a SB MVP and a sure fire HOF QB to trying to turn a career backup into the next Tom Brady.

Warner had the skills. He had proven it.

Cassel hasn't proved anything, other than that he can beat up on the Topeka School for the Deaf and Blind.

Not if one got through the line.

the topeka school for the deaf and blind called and confirmed they didnt play the chiefs this season or last. :p

Haley has lost the team.

Jamal Charles wants a trade.

Pioli won't drat a safety that high


Blah blah blah..

Since I have appointed myself as a board advocate for Haley, here we go, my friend.

Unfair? Pffft. It's no more unfair than doing a Whitlock (cherry-picking one vague comment out of an entire 30 minute presser) and jumping on Haley with both feet over the OC question less than two full days after season's end. To wit;

In the presser, Haley notes and thanks the strength coach, nutrition specialists, and trainers for their hard work during the year. (Odd thing for a crazy egomaniac to say.) He states (without prompting) that the entire organization is and will undergo a full review and eval. This evaluation will include players, coaches ... and ... wait for it ... himself as head coach. (Dang. Could that be right? Haley's a moron! He wants to evaluate his own moronic performance? Why would he want to do that?). He says their goal is nothing less than to become a championship team and that it will happen sooner, rather than later. (Note that he didn't say his goal was to dominate discussions, control the offense, alienate coaches, and make a complete ass out of himself on the sideline.) He mentions that he's proud of what the team accomplished this year because not a lot of people outside the building (other than some of the fans) believed they could make it to double-digit wins and a playoff appearance. Then he says ... and this is kind cool, I think ... that they have to, and will, do a better job next time ... including himself.

On and on and on.

In other words, there were tons of comments made in that presser that were encouraging and thoughtful and forthright and honest. It isn't all about the OC and Haley's megalomaniacal desire to control every detail or person with whom he works.

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I couldn't agree more. So far, there have been three (maybe four) apparently bad roster decisions ... The Helmet Snatcher, McCluster, and Cassel come to mind.

The glass-half-full view is that, if we do pack the offense with an o-line that can protect Pioli's granny and skill players who can make touchdowns without the ball just so Cassel can walk the streets of Overland Park without getting egged, when we do get a decent QB, we should be in pretty good shape, offensively speaking.

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At least he'd be able to see or hear them coming.

Yeah, I was relieved that Haley didn't appear to want to be the strength and conditioning coach, too.

Progress. ;)

Of course it does. Nobody in their right mind would think otherwise (unless they harbored some kind of personal, anti-Haley agenda. But that would never happen.)

Remember, too, that some people thought that Boulden and Fitz didn't like Haley. Hated him, in fact. There was a lot of smoke on that subject ... ultimately proven false, obviously.

I can understand some of the dislike for Haley, but sometimes it seems a little biased.

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ROFL

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Do you respect Rich Gannon's opinions as a broadcaster, Mr. FAX?

Do you think he's biased?

Sometimes I think Gannon gets stuff right. Other times, I think he likes to hear the sound of his own voice. Then there are other times when I think he says stuff that other people want to hear. Then there are other, other times when I think he says stuff that other people have said other times when they say stuff.

Is there any particular Gannon opinion you would like to offer as an example, Mr. OnTheWarpath58? Or, am I to take this bait without even a single look at what's beneath the bra?

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What's his opinion? Is it about something that he might have actual insight into or is he just guessing like all of us?

He hosts a show on Sirius NFL Radio, and he said yesterday that he feels that Haley needs to take a step back, get with Pioli, and figure our what the issue is - whether it's his ego, whatever.

He went on to say that it's obvious he has some sort of issue as he's gone through 4 OC's (assuming he hires one) in 3 seasons.

And he's far from the only analyst on Sirius that feels the exact same way.

I'm not relaying all this to bash the guy.

I'm simply saying that those "in the know" seem to lean towards the idea that Haley and his ego are the problem here.

It's not just guys like Whitlock who are looking for a reaction.

You don't think that Rich Gannon has more insight and access to inside information than the fans?

You have crossed the line into insanity with this portion of the post.

if he hires one that different than going through 4.


gailey, weis, poss. hired guy. thats three. he has gone through 2 at that point (the hire) and if that guy is gone at some point he would have gone through 3. unless we are counting haley himself. and if his ego is too big to handle deferring to himself we have HUGE issue here.

The reason why I can't commit to a side on this is that I don't know the information.

I don't know if Haley never wanted Weis in the first place
I don't know if Haley thought he wanted a strong coach like Weis and realized he wanted someone more like McCoy
I don't know if Haley was an absolute tyrant that forced Weis out
I also don't know if Weis was unwilling to accept his role as second fiddle

This stuff concerns me, but without the right info, it's hard to say who's really to blame here. Sirius is probably working from the same information.

Well, maybe we need a Dr. Drew for a head coach. Or somebody who cries a lot and shares their feelings more. Or, maybe somebody who has to watch the game tape to tell you what the final score was.

I've had people call me a hard-ass, egotistical, arrogant, asshole. And that was my mom.

The point is that, when you're the boss, sometimes you have to draw a line in the sand and some people have a difficult time getting the picture unless you make yourself clearly understood. Poor Chan. Poor Weis. My heart breaks.

By the way, I only count 2 OCs ... and one of those was hung around Haley's neck before he even took the job. If we're going to argue this out, let's at least agree on what we're arguing about. Where do you get 4?

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Why not count Haley? He was the OC, right?

While I appreciate your attempt at a joke, we can only assume - as many of us did when he was hired - that Weis was somewhat forced on Haley.

The situation today tends to lend credence to that thought.

Otherwise, it only makes Haley look worse that his handpicked guy left after 1 year.

Haley's definitely grown on me, but you'd have to be blind not to see that there are some personality issues at play with the guy.

JMO.

Not really. No. To be brutally honest about it.

I've heard Gannon say some really wrong stuff. Of course, he gets paid to fill up time and he's asked a lot of questions.

You know as well as I that the media (and Gannon qualifies) will run with a stereotype. They do it all the time. In the sports world and every other aspect of life.

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these guys weren't strangers to each other...if Weis had any kind of problem with Haley, he should've never taken the job.

...he doesn't want to be here. so, he's gone. that's a good thing.

Not on this issue. It sounds to me like he's making a huge assumption here based only on the fact that he canned Gailey and lost Weis. It sounds to me like he's read some of the naval gazing in the trade media more than it sounds like he's got inside info.

Let's examine the basis for his assumption. Gailey was forced on him. It took balls to can the guy at the end of preseason, but it's really no surprise that it didn't work out. By pulling the plug early rather than giving it a year, Haley expedited the process and took a huge risk because he lost a potential scapegoat and put all the focus on himself.

Signing Weis to be OC when he could have picked some yes-man instead shows that Haley is confident enough to bring in a big personality. Losing a high profile guy like that after one season isn't really that surprising. It wouldn't have been surprising to lose either or both of the coordinators after a short stint because he picked guys who were at the top of their profession rather than guys who still had to make a name for themselves. That, again, shows self confidence rather than ego-mania.

Neither Whitlock or Fescoe has any insight into this matter. Gannon probably has even less.

None of those potential situations look good on Haley, IMO.

1) He's not allowed to put together his own staff?

2) How do you not know what you want?

3) Obviously wouldn't be good.

4) Why should Weis play 2nd fiddle? He was hired to do a job. Haley needs to keep his hands out of it.

I'm sorry but this is just plain silly.

I'm not going to reveal my source but I received a text early Friday morning, December 31st from a coach that stated "Weis is going to U Florida. Done with Chiefs".

I thought it was a joke when I turned my phone on that day. I texted back and forth because I couldn't believe it was true but of course, it was.

This guy isn't an NFL coach but he's a highly respected coach. Trust me, it's a small fraternity and people know the score, whether they're part of an organization or not.

Word gets around quickly.

Totally agree. The last thing I want to see is Haley calling plays again

Of anyone, you should know how the media glom onto a pre-conceived stereotype and wear it down to the bone. Rich Gannon's immune?

Gannon is now prescient. Great. All knowing with access to the inner-workings of Arrowhead.

While we're trying to manufacture reasons to either believe or disbelieve the great and powerful Rich Gannon, let's remember that he volunteered his services to the Raiders. The Raiders. And now we're to take his word as Gospel that he knows all about the Chiefs and Haley and what takes place behind closed doors?

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LOL, remember when they faked a punt with Brodie Croyle?

haley performed as a oc yes but he didnt fire himself thus he hasnt "gone through 3 ocs so far" but thats JMO

Come on, Dude. You know how "fraternities" work. Things are shared "behind closed doors" that aren't shared to the public at large.

Let's put it this way: If I'm "hearing things" from people that I know that eventually are proven to be true, why is it unbelievable that an NFL lifer and broadcaster like Rich Gannon wouldn't hear the same things and far more information and detail?

Hell, my "connections" to the NFL world have to be dwarfed by those of a guy like Gannon.

4th and 7 from our own 28.

In an 8 point game.

Think about it this way for just a minute, my friend.

Only a year or so ago, people were up in arms because Haley had "lost" the team due to his hard-ass ways. Let's see ... oh, yeah ... DJ was going to leave the team and maybe the game, Charles didn't want to play for Haley, neither did Bowe, Pioli and Haley weren't seeing eye-to-eye, etc., etc.

See a pattern, here?

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While I appreciate your example, I can counter it: Haley & Gailey weren't getting along. Haley fired Gailey one week before the season started.

One year later, Haley & Weis weren't getting along. Weis wanted out of his contract to coach elsewhere in the NFL, Pioli wouldn't allow it so Weis went to the University of Florida, where he'll stay until his contract with the Chiefs expires.

I'm not claiming that Todd Haley is an insufferable jerk but it's quite clear that he has problems with other offensive minds and opinions.

This. I'm sure Weis is a man of above average intelligence. He had worked with Haley before. Its not like he didnt know what he was getting into.

Personally, I'm not surprised he left.

DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT IS NO REASON NOT TO PANIC WHEN SOME THINGS STILL NEED WORK!!!

Was it the 28 or the 27???? WHO has forgotten now??!!!!111

28.

I looked it up.

And while doing so, I was reminded of the most comical play of the Matt Cassel era:

Two plays before the punt, Cassel wings a ball OOB, with no WR in the area.

Flag on the play.

Wait, the officials are conferencing.

Referee picks up the flag, opens his mic and says:

"There is no intentional grounding on the play, as the QB was not under pressure.

LMAO

You have one. I left out about 20.

But you raise an even better point. Let's say, for the sake of gentlemanly argument, that Haley is, in fact, an insufferable jerk. So what? Some of the greatest NFL HCs in the history of the universe were hard-ass mofos with zero tolerance for mistakes and total belief in themselves and the value of hard work.

While guys like Whitlock and Wright and Fescue (or whatever his name is) wring their hands and rend their clothing and cry out with horror and anguish that Haley is a big meanie, we just won 10 games, the division, and got ourselves a home playoff game in the bargain.

Looking at this, more or less, big-picture-wise, I would gladly trade 1000 behind-the-scene Haley rants (assuming they occur), 25 run-off OCs, and 12 draft picks for 1 Lombardi.

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ROFL

That's actually pretty good.

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Well, I wouldn't be so sure about that, D.

People change. Working successfully with someone 15 years ago at a lower pay grade and responsibilities and suddenly reuniting doesn't insure success.

I have no doubt that both men went into it with an open mind and with the idea of succeeding, but it didn't work out.

I'm not surprised that Haley left but I also do not believe that Weis left because Haley is an insufferable jerk. I think they've both grown and changed as people and at this point in time, they don't need each other to succeed.

I really can't believe we're still talking about coaching.

I rarely bitch about Haley because Pioli's job isn't done yet. When Pioli has built one of the best rosters in the NFL, then I'll start to look at coaching shortcomings. As of right now, the only reason we made the playoffs was because Haley and staff coached up Carl Peterson's leftovers. They did a wonderful job. But they lack playmakers...and it's Pioli's job to provide them.

I just posted in response to another post but I don't think that Weis left because Haley is an insufferable jerk. I think Weis left because he and Haley found out that they don't need each other to succeed.

Unfortunately, we won't know how this story really ends until the end of the 2011 season. If the Chiefs are successful next season offensively and the new offensive coordinator is retained for 2012, we'll have a much better idea of what happened at the end of the 2010 season.

If the opposite is true, then yikes. This forum will implode upon itself.

Get Romeo Crennel a rusher opposite of Tamba and a NT and see what he can do.

The guy is a fantastic coach.

Hootie wishes he'd leave.

LMAO

I would like to encourage all those who think Haley is seriously considering not replacing Weis with another OC to actually listen to the presser (I finally had time to do so). It's on the Chiefs site and the question occurs at minute 26.

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FYP

Wow, that's really unfair.

If it's the first issue it's on Pioli, not Haley. I still think Solari and Gun were forced on Herm. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case here too. I'm not going to fault a head coach if his boss forces a guy on him.

To the second issue, I could easily see Haley thinking this would work out and maybe it just didn't. Maybe that's because Haley is indecisive or a bad judge of character (not good on Haley). Maybe it's because Weis is a different guy than he was when they first worked together and let power get to his head (not good on Weis). Or maybe he was just experimenting to see if it worked (looks bad on Haley, but looks fine if it eventually works out). All these things look really bad on Haley and I hope it doesn't affect our ability to make the next hire. At the same time, I could see a McCoy type relationship working out. If they get him and it does work out, then Haley's tiffs with Weis and Gailey become a non-issue.

Third is obviously purely on Haley and something to worry about. That means Haley has a pretty poisonous ego problem.

Fourth, come on, man. We know Weis came with a lot of potential baggage. If he's the assistant, he has to understand he's the assistant. The question is, was Weis asking overdemanding and Haley got sick of it? Or was Haley micromanaging every last playcall of Weis'? I don't know, but those are two completely different answers.

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greg hall on fescoes awesome news

Don't you hate having to stop a good circle jerk?

Acid reflux sucks

Again, poor Charlie Weis. ****, I'm getting sick of this CW pity party.

Well done.

I am amazed that anyone thinks the issue is anything but Weiss at this point. Regardless of wether he had is play calling duties pulled in the PO game his play calling has been questionable almost every game.

How that falls to Haley being the bad guy is beyond me.


Too many drama queens here who seem to enjoy the hyperbole.