He broke a false story. He reported during the draft that Cassel signed a contract, but Cassel didn't actually sign until a few months later, and at different figures than Lombardi reported.

Last year, Mayock had us taking Okung, but initially talked up Bulaga. He also said outright that Pioli wouldn't take Berry.

Let's get back to overreacting to a thread title that in no way has been verified.

Can't you see I'm busy over reacting to this right now?

****, I can't over react on two things at once....god...

Gretz broke the story two months ago, with a quote from Haley.

I would think the HC knows his own plans.

Watkins is older than Dwayne Bowe. Just let that sink in for a second.

I posted in a thread on DraftPlanet that we'd have a 27 year old rookie protecting a 28 year old QB that still plays like a rookie at times.

If he makes that selection, I think this place would be united in Pioli hate.

No way we take Eric Berry at #5, I heard it from everyone that knows anything.

Broke the story? He quoted from Haley's press conference at the combine. I'm not going to dig up the audio, but I really don't remember Haley saying it like it was a fact. I also don't remember anyone, Gretz included, discussing it afterwards like it was a fact.

Nothing has happened since then to confirm or deny the story. Gretz, two months removed, writing about it like it will happen is not confirmation. Nothing posted in the OP even comes close to confirmation.

And I'm far from the first person here to point this out. Maybe I'll start a thread called "McCluster story still unconfirmed", since people are just blindly reacting to the titles they see.

I heard we're going to draft an LT and move Albert back to his natural position at guard.

I can't even find the quote pasted in the OP on rotoworld. It may be there somewhere but I think the whole idea of the OP was to stir shit. And it worked.

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/clubh...as-city-chiefs

This is a stupid ****ing thread with a misleading thread title.
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yeah that sounds a bit like what the Saints do with Reggie Bush, they'd have to cover him and Charles with something other than a LB and it might take away some underneath coverage on the WR's.

Now McCluster is Reggie Bush. LOL

I'm optimistic to a fault

McCluster sucks. He should be returning kicks until his contract runs out and then, hopefully, we won't ever have to think about him again.

One partial season. Yeah, thats enough time to completely evaluate a player.

How is McCluster going to change this offseason? Explain how he will justify his draft position.

I dont really give a **** about draft position at this point. Cant change that. We just have to hope he improves. Suck it up.

Didn't even need that... Could have just used a tape measure.

Explain how he will improve. What will he start doing that he hasn't been doing? Be specific.

I think there is some merit to the argument that the high ankle sprain impeded him to an extent, and that it's also possible that he didn't make a smooth adjustment to the speed of NFL players.

He may still potentially become a bigtime playmaker.

However, if there is any truth to the rumor that he'll be used primarily out of the backfield, and he gets 10 carries a game, he'll be out of the league in 3 years, most likely.

Darren Sproles, who is bigger and stronger, was already showing signs of wear last year, and to a lesser extent the previous year, and he's only been in the league for 4 years?

Seriously? How do most players improve Clay? Do they all come into the league at their best?

Seriously? This is a stupid ****ing question.

Heh...

If it's stupid it should have a simple answer.

Explain how McCluster will become a playmaker.

Adjusting to the speed of the game, having better instincts and reaction to make cuts and moves.

It's that simple.

I completely agree with this. As long as no other NFL player ever hits McCluster, he has a bright future.

Got it.

McCluster will magically learn how to make people miss.

At the risk of coming off like a troll, Dexter would improve in working at the same "position" he played last year and not trying to "learn" another one... Assuming that the coaching mindset is different for a slot WR who might line up occasionally in the backfield for screens / off tackle pitches versus learning running back responsibilities.

And, while I'm thinking about it, how often would Dex be called on to stay in on blitz protection as a rotational RB?

This thread will disappear if Danny Watkins is the first round pick.

No he will get better at it like most players. I know you are trolling a subject you love.

Ne need to discuss it further with you. No matter what anybody says you will throw out some snarky comment.

ROFL Now I know you're just being intentionally obtuse.

A 5' 8" 170# third down back. Awesome. This team never ceases to amaze me, and we spent a second round pick on him. It doesn't matter he was one of the captains on his team. I'll bet he was a spirit captain because he was too fokn small to be anything else. I will admit that I bot into the hype after that Monday night game, but after that MEH!

You have just nailed it. The OP can't be true. If it is, then this team will have just proved they are the stupidest team ever. We spent a 5th on Dante Hall and at least he did something.

Seems a bit extreme. Especially considering that McCluster played RB in college.

LMAO

This is just comical. He's going to become more athletically talented as he gets older, eh?

This is why I had hoped he would remain a wide receiver. One can grow into that role and learn the nuances of the position.

Being a RB is a completely different situation. Either you have it or you don't and there are dozens of examples of this.

Jamaal Charles got better, a lot better. And don't say he would have been the same as we saw last year if they just would have thrown him out there his rookie year. He didn't show anything that spectacular like he did last year and the 2nd half of 2009.

Seriously, questioning how a player at any position can possibly get better after their rookie year is either blatant trolling or full reerun.

Jesus, you're ****ing stupid. Lots of players have gotten better with more years.

So did Dante Halle.

I think he's just trolling for fun. He's defending Grbac in another thread.

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Dexter McCluster vs. Tennessee
282 rushing yards, 42 recieving yards
4 TOCUHDOWNS.
http://vimeo.com/7781366

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Stupid to put him at running back?

But but but NFL players are biggerer and fasterer!!1!1 doooooomed

400 posts on a subject with no new news.

I know you are just trolling for reactions here, but really....your answer has been posted a few times and Ill offer it up again as well as an expansion to the reasoning (that I agree with)

High ankle sprain

For a player that relies on his elusiveness and ability to change direction, that injury is about as debilitating as it gets. When they announced it was possibly a HAS, I commented over and over that everyone was taking the injury lightly and that it would surely effect his abilities the remainder oft he year and it absolutely did.

Look at how he made his cuts and how decisive he was before the injury and after and its clear as day to see.

For further reasoning:

The more familiar the coaching staff becomes with his abilities, as well as the other players on offenses, the better prepared they will be to put him in position to succeed. Haley, specifically, has a propensity to call trick plays that try to get defenses on their heels (Kurt Warner said he thought he called them too much until the trick plays helped them win every playoff game on the way to the SB..then he praised him) DMC is just the guy Haley probably really wanted personally because of that factor.

The more experienced Matt Cassel gets and the better the talent we get at receiver gets, the more attention that will get from opposing defenses and therefore will give DMC more opportunities to have defenses not being able to key on him as was the case a lot of last year.

If they can find a way to get Charles and DMC on the field at the same time more, that would be great for us. You shift those guys, put them in motion and do whatever you can to get them matched up against players they can take advantage of and do so.

I think both are gonna be matchup nightmares.

If Charles ever misses a stretch of games (3-4)...DMC can give the offense a similar type of weapon to feature.

I wish we could have seen him healthy all year (hopefully, that sentiment doesnt end up being a microcosm of his career in a few years)

How quickly is Cassel going to go fetal with McCluster in blitz pickup as a third down back?

Jordy Nelson was taken with the exact same pick in the '08 draft.

Rookie year - 33 rec, 366 yards, 2 TD's
2nd year - 22 rec, 320 yards, 2 TD's

You guys would've been calling Jordy a wasted pick as well. It takes more than a year to justify draft position.

what does nick athan say?

I REALLY like dex but almost all of those were trick plays

If I were running a team, the only time I'd take a running back early in the draft would be if all the other pieces of my championship-contending team were in place. Until then, I'd take RBs late in the draft and through free agency (both rookie and vet) and try to find a solution through quantity rather than quality. RBs are too short-lived to take a first round stud when your team is still several pieces (and 2 or 3 years) short of being a contender. But you're right that it would be ridiculous to go to the extreme you're talking about.

which is what Haley loves to use

Its what he and Kurt Warner used to argue about and then after they made the superbowl Kurt did an interview where he said those plays where what gave them the advantage in the playoffs and the superbowl.

Haley will find unconventional ways to utilize DMC the more he learns how to do so.

which would be awesome if there weren't freakly athletic linebackers on every team.
a lot of arizonas trick plays were passes and shit
we cant run the triple option
UNLESS.....TRADE UP FOR CAM NEWTON!!!

Jordy Nelson was not moved to third-string RB.

McCluster's development as a WR just had it's nuts cut off. He's not developing into a player. He's being put into a neat little 30-catch-a-year gimmick box.

Great logic considering there nothing that actually says DMC has been moved.

If Dexter has not been moved I will be patient with his development as a wide receiver.

The point is...it's reeruned to come to any type of conclusion on a player after his first year in the business.

You probably thought Dorsey was a bust after his rookie season.

Nelson is a WR who has always been a WR and is still a WR


he's not a backup RB in the duo named "One really good RB and One midget dude without a position"


but keep making shit up

Well if the story is true.... that means the Chiefs themselves would be coming to that conclusion after his first year... not us.

We're just commenting on the potential impact of this alleged decision.

Hmmm, wasn't Dante Hall in the exact same boat?

Dante Hall was successful the first year he stepped on an NFL football field. He was an outstanding kick returner and contributed as a 4th receiver. He was converted to WR and was never, ever moved back to RB.

in the sense that he had no position and never became a great WR? yes

in the sense that he was the #36 pick in the draft? no

in the sense that he was a truly great kick returner? no

I get that 11 years was a long time ago, so maybe the memory fades, but Dante Hall wasn't much as a rookie. it took 3 years for him to become the X-Factor, and a lot of people were surprised by that. Because early on, he had a bullseye for his blocker's backsides. And he was awful on the field with the offense, at least when we got to see him there...during the preseason. He was behind Mike Cloud on the depth chart, and eventually moved to WR - years later - because he never made it at RB.

Don't want to take my word for it? That's fine. Here's some rookie numbers:

KR: 17 returns for 358 yards (21.1), long of 36
PR: 6 returns for 37 yards (6.2), long of 22
0 rushes. 0 receptions.

Just for shits and giggles, McCluster's rookie numbers:

KR: 26 returns for 527 yards (20.3) long of 36
PR: 13 returns for 202 yards (15.5) long of 94, 1 TD
21 rec for 209 yards (10.0), long of 31T, 1 TD
18 rushes for 71 yards (3.9), long of 20

If anything, Hall should be the poster child for how McCluster could improve, because everything you're saying about McCluster now was said about Hall by people in 2000 and 2001 (although he began to show things as a returner that year, as I recall): at that time he was not elusive, he had very poor vision, hell, he didn't even look fast. And he couldn't do anything on offense (he had a total of 2 rushes in his first two years, and 0 receptions).

I wasn't talking about Dante Hall's rookie year. I was talking about the first year he actually played on offense, which was 2002. That was the first time he really got on a field. He wasn't getting snaps in 00 and 01.

Dante Hall is not the poster child because McCluster showed almost no ability as a return man or receiver last year. Returners don't magically develop over time. They're usually as good as they'll ever be, or very close to it, the first time they step on a field. Devin Hester took back 5 kicks for scores as a rookie.

Trolling 101: when you're shown to be wrong, change the argument.

I didn't change anything. If you misinterpreted my post, that's on you. Dante Hall wasn't on the field in 00 and 01. He was in 02. That's why I said he was contributing as a 4th receiver the first time he stepped on an NFL field.

Not bad. Busy. Haven't seen you around for a while. How's everything?

I get it, the first two years he was on the field didn't really count. It only counts when he's on the field with the offense. Which took him three years. Because he wasn't any good. Which you're using as a justification for how McCluster will never get any better, because Dante Hall was great right away on offense, even though it took him three years. In the same thread where you're saying returners can't ever get any better while talking about Dante Hall, who wasn't any better as a returner his first two seasons than McCluster was last year, and then in his third season arguably because the best in the league. Because returners are all or nothing as rookies and never change.

Dante Hall wasn't really given an opportunity until his third year. That much is obvious. 17 kickoff returns and 6 punt returns is barely touching the ball AT ALL over the course of a season.

McCluster? Plenty of opportunity last year. Didn't remind anyone of Hester...or Dante Hall.

At some point you should realize the obvious here...he's just not very good. Returners don't "develop." Hester is one example...there are plenty of others.

I think every one realizes the obvious here.
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Yeah, I'd say you're probably right about that.

**** you guys. **** McCluster. He'll probably be off the team in three years.

Given your track record of evaluating players, I'll give that its due consideration.

Yeah I would think I could have saved you quite a bit there.

Cuddling is worth a lot to me.
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Sr you are a silly dude lol
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I'm curious to know why the misleading thread title hasnt been edited.