I remember years ago thinking "With the way Herm has ruined the Jets, there is no way another team will sign him up as head coach. All those rumors of KC being interested in him must not be true."

Never underestimate the stupidity of the Hunt family when it comes to football.

For the record, I think McDaniels will be better than Haley. Especially if he has Pioli to control the personnel side of things and if he has a decent defensive coordinator.

As far as whether Cassel and Orton are a good thing..... well, you said the next head coach hates Orton. I was going to ask what your basis for that is. Looking at it from a coaches perspective, having two guys that know your system, have started games and played well for you at QB when you come to a team..... is a GOOD thing.

Remember how DV brought Trent Green in, with one of the biggest reasons being that he knew the system?

Remember how Todd Collins went to the Redskins mainly because he knew the system.

See, coaches like QB's who know their system. They are the coaches on the field. So, the better they know the scheme, the more the coaches can do with the scheme.

Now, as far as LT in the draft. I am a BPA/trade down draft guy. If there is a QB that is worthy of the pick, draft him. If not, don't reach for a guy like Sanchez/Clausen just to say you drafted a guy.

If the Chiefs draft top ten, then I would rather them get an impact guy. I would like to see an outside pass rusher, if I had my first choice other than QB. But, I am fine with the BPA.

This team has too many weaknesses to lock into one position.

if Josh McDaniels comes to KC I'll go to jail... period. Cause I'm gonna rage on some random motherf***** in a suupermarket.

Here is the thing. I think Haley is gone. I think that Pioli will look for someone that can fix the offense while retaining Cassel. I don't think Pioli believes Cassel is a 'great' QB, but I do think he believes that Cassel is the best QB option for next year.

McDaniels has a history with Cassel and has had a ton of success on the offensive side of the ball.

I could easily see Pioli tabbing him as the next HC for the Chiefs.

And, admittedly, IF the Chiefs are locked into Cassel, then I am fine with McDaniels because I believe he gives Cassel the best chance to be successful.

And, if we all agree that QB performance is one of the biggest keys to success, it extrapolates out to: McDaniels gives the Chiefs the best chance to be successful if Cassel is definitely the QB.

I would rather see a proven guy like Fisher or Cowher here. I just don't think it happens.

Who is our next head coach, in your estimation?

The funny thing is Herm never really "ruined" the Jets. His last season they went through 15 QBs... Mangini took over with much of Herm's talent and went to the playoffs. Jets fans would throw a fit about that, but they hate everything.
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Hopefully A.J. Smith will hire him as a replacement for Norv. :D

In Tebow's case they did. Everytime a play went wrong those morons started chanting Tebow's name. It was an unwinnable situation for the organization and Kyle Orton.

They knew Orton wasn't the future, Tebow isn't the future of anything except the 700 Club, and who's their third stringer? Bottom line is that Denver, like every other NFL team wants a quarterback who can potentially take them all the way. So they shitcanned Orton and put in Tebow, knowing he sucks, so that they could rid themselves of him too.

But unfortunately Tebow's helped win games. Everyone knows it's a bus that's going to have the wheels explode off it but until it does the Donks are stuck with The Holy See Tebow.

The fact is Denver's fielded a pretty damn good defense. With a real quarterback and a couple of wide receivers they could be dangerous.

IMO, Herm was a better head coach than Haley. He just got stuck with an old team here that didn't have a QB.

For everything that Cassel isn't, he is still light years ahead of what Herm had.

I know Green was better than Cassel, but he was at the end of his career and got hurt. And, the year that Herm had Green, even for half the season, he was in the playoffs.

No matter what you say now or in the future, You just lost all credibility with that phrase...

Done, over, finished...

Mort is reporting today that Orton has told several teams he will not show up if claimed. Orton is wanting/trying to get claimed by Chicago at all costs.
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I wouldn't want to be claimed by the Redskins either, which is one of the rumors.

Smart move. I wouldn't want to come here or to Washington either.

Compare the head coaching resumes and tell me how Haley is better.

Okay, I have done a search, and you think McDaniels will be the next coach.

I admit, I am very curious as to what you are attributing McDaniels dislike for Orton.

Not even disagreeing with it.... just don't know about it and have looked for any indications of it on Google and see none.

So, just let me know why you think McDaniels does not like Orton.

Thanks.

Would you believe he loves the offensive line, especially the LG, Center and RT? :D

Cant blame him I guess.Could you imagine being told that the Chiefs just claimed you?

Having Bowe, Breaston and Baldwin to throw to?

Wiegs was his center in Denver as well, no?

Hmmm.

Yeah, I'll take the playoff contender with the cake schedule, thanks.

Explain to me how Haley is better than Herm? Im talking overall career, not just Chiefs.

Remember, wins and losses are everything in the NFL. Its the only thing that matters ultimately.

This isn't the 90's Chiefs.No one wants to come here just ask Darnell Dockett.

I must be missing something. I know I'm not as informed as you guys when it comes to every team and every player past, present, or future in this world or the next ...

But what has Orton ever done in his career that warrants his ability to pick and choose which team he should play for?

FAX

This post has like 15 unique and interesting flavors of FAIL.

Cassel has shown he can't calmly go through his progressions. If Pioli doubles down on Cassel, then there's no hope for the guy.

It's called cynical humor. I'm not actually serious (well, not completely).

Each of the last 2 seasons Orton threw for at least 3600 yards and 20 touchdowns. And he just turned 29 so he's got a few years in him still. He's definitely a serviceable QB.

When you've had no action between the sheets for a long time, even the average chick starts to look good.

Palko is better at going through progressions than Casserole, just about every QB in the league is better at it. Once Cassel's panic button gets tickled he's Mr. Happy Feet and looks at two receivers at most...

Well stop it. I take everything on here very seriously.

Heck, I even paid an arborist to make sure that I didn't have any aids trees in my yard.

He's white and says the right things and acts tough.

Herm is an easy guy to hate if things go wrong. He says dumb things and generally acts like a circus clown at press conferences. People also hated him from day one and losses only validated that hate.

Haley is the opposite. People have been sucking his cock since day one because he wasn't Herm. He presents this bullshit blue-collar persona that people fall in love with and think they can relate to, which is laughable considering his watch probably cost more than their car.

He rarely looks at 2 receivers. He looks at his first receiver and then at the pass rush before turning "OCD in a dirty kitchen".

Per Rotoworld

The Chiefs are considering submitting a waiver claim on Kyle Orton, a source tells NFL.com's Steve Wyche.
Although the Chiefs are only two games out of first place in the AFC West, they aren't realistic threats to win the division. But if they stick with Tyler Palko at quarterback, they might not win another game all year. The addition of Orton would be a major boost to Dwayne Bowe and the entire passing game. The Chiefs are ahead of the Bears and behind the Colts in the waiver process.

Of course.......Orton would help keep "butts in seats"

But he doesnt have to come play for KC if he doesnt want to.

What did Herm use to say (and probably still does)?

Was it flustrated?

maybe ...

Exactly. Personally, I think they are both average to crap.

Yeah, flustrated.

Please let the Colts pick up Orton. :grovel: He might actually put them in a position to win 4-5 games? :shrug: Then S4L is back on!!!! :drool:

JK guys ;)

A thread posted 8-7-2011

A stat taken from another thread-Zero starts for Palko and Stanzi...who

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would you like to see come in here if Cassel gets hurt? I see our lack of a veteran back up at the QB pos as a potential real dilemma if Cassel gets hurt.

We have a great running game with finally a legit passing attack from all angles and a Defense that could be ranked in the top 10 if everything clicks for us. We have a helluva a tougher schedule this yr and what you don't want to have happen is our team to be hitting on all cyclinders loaded with talent leading the division only for our starting QB to get hurt and then all you have is Palko or Stanzi?

FWIW, there is a 50/50 chance Orton gets released. Say what you will about Orton but he is smart, manages the game well and is far more accurate passer than Cassel IMO. The knock on him out here in Denver was, he was great between the 20's moving the ball up and down the field but as soon as he was in the redzone he failed. I see his so-called redzone failure as a severe lack of talent around him that you need around you in order to get that extra punch to get in the endzone. He had no talent around him after Josh's insane right 53 approach

The Denver fans, sports media and coaching staff are in such a "quandry" out here because Tebow sucks that bad. Orton is lighting it up everyday but yet Orton and the Denver FO no longer want each others services. FO mgmt wishes Tebow could at least hit a receiver in stride instead of behind on just about every pass he makes It's entertaining as hell listening to this Denver frustration out here with the fans saying to themselves, "Wow, Tebow really isn't God and actually sucks and why are we trying to trade Orton out of here??

Bottom line: Orton would be an excellent back up QB who could come in and keep moving our potent offense without ever missing a beat in case Cassel got hurt or Cassel started sucking the big one(holding on to the ball even longer or throwing more picks than usual) which is very possible.

You saw what he did to us in Denver, just sayin

Your thoughts

If the Colts actually did put in a claim for Orton.....there is no way that he would report.

Sorry if repost but heard Mike & Mike say Orton/agent came to Elway right after Cutler got injured and asked to be released.
Said Denver saved money by releasing Orton but also did it because they appreciated Orton and wanted to do him a solid.
If true it would seem it is Bears-or-bust in Orton's mind. Seems like he loves Chicago more than they love him.

So what happens in that case?Im not familiar with the process when a claimed player refuses to report.

Pretty sure he just doesn't get paid the remainder of his contract - which is only the rest of the season in Orton's case.

Then he'll be a FA in March 2012.

He no play.

"Maggianos" and "Gene and Judes" I suspect.

He would then become a FA after the season?

Uh see it now.

So a player makes it clear he won't report for your team. Is there any reason at all not to claim him so another team can't benefit from his services?

Si senor.

Depends on if there are any costs associated with making a claim, which I think is what you are asking?

Yes which would allow the Colts to keep Houston from taking him. Although if he is going to Chi-town then there is know reason for the Colts to be concerned.

would he still count as a roster spot?

Putting a claim on him just for the draft pick would be worth it.

It is. I remember when Marty made a claim on Deion Sanders just to keep him from going to the Raiders and making a SB run. Maybe my favorite thing Marty ever did and he wasn't even the Chiefs coach. I thought that was probably Jeff Fisher's reasoning for grabbing Randy Moss as well.

ROFL

What time do we find out who claimed him?

Corrected for accuracy.

I guess espn.com/chicago says the bears will claim orton.

Im not sure if that means they will get him or that they just put in a claim.

It's still 2.6 mill. That's a lot of coin to turn away from for about 5 weeks of work.

Thanks for yesterday's news.

I was trying not to jinx the Chiefs...

Orton will be awarded on waivers at 4:00 p.m. ET
Posted by Mike Florio on November 23, 2011, 11:35 AM EST

APSeveral of you have asked for an explanation of the procedure for securing the rights to a player on waivers. Since it doesn’t take much time, thought, or effort, I decided to do it.

First, priority is determined based on record. Per a league source, here’s the current list: (1) Colts; (2) Panthers; (3) Rams; (4) Vikings; (5) Cardinals; (6) Redskins; (7) Jaguars; (8) Dolphins; (9) Chiefs; (10) Browns; (11) Eagles; (12) Chargers; (13) Seahawks; (14) Buccaneers; (15) Titans; (16) Bills; (17) Jets; (18) Broncos; (19) Giants; (20) Raider; (21) Bengals; (22) Cowboys; (23) Falcons; (24) Saints; (25) Texans; (26) Ravens; (27) Steelers; (28) Patriots; (29) Lions; (30) Bears; (31) 49ers; and (32) Packers.

Second, claims are made without knowing who else has made a claim. Thus, every team that wants Orton must make a claim, and his contract will be awarded based on application of the priority list.

Third, the window closes at 4:00 p.m. ET. Thereafter, word as to where Orton is heading surely will surface, along with a list of all other teams that put in a claim.

Fourth, several of you have asked for an explanation of the respective rights of the team and the player if the player doesn’t want to play for the team that picks him. I’ll post an explanation of the process after PFT Live. I’ll possibly touch on the procedure during the show, which hopefully will give you another reason to tune in at 12:00 p.m. ET.

While I’m pushing PFT Live, I’ll also address the latest developments in the Tebowmania phenomenon, and I’ll explain what the Jets are doing by giving Mark Brunell reps with the first-team offense, based on some of the non-profane words from the mouth of Rex Ryan.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Redskins claim him. They have priority over the Chiefs and have only cast offs as QBs (Grossman and Beck).

Not sure the Chiefs will put in a claim, preferring to save money in a lost year and wanting to see how Palko and Stanzi will perform.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...at-400-p-m-et/

Orton will be awarded on waivers at 4:00 p.m. ET
Posted by Mike Florio on November 23, 2011, 11:35 AM EST
Kyle Orton AP

Several of you have asked for an explanation of the procedure for securing the rights to a player on waivers. Since it doesn’t take much time, thought, or effort, I decided to do it.

First, priority is determined based on record. Per a league source, here’s the current list: (1) Colts; (2) Panthers; (3) Rams; (4) Vikings; (5) Cardinals; (6) Redskins; (7) Jaguars; (8) Dolphins; (9) Chiefs; (10) Browns; (11) Eagles; (12) Chargers; (13) Seahawks; (14) Buccaneers; (15) Titans; (16) Bills; (17) Jets; (18) Broncos; (19) Giants; (20) Raider; (21) Bengals; (22) Cowboys; (23) Falcons; (24) Saints; (25) Texans; (26) Ravens; (27) Steelers; (28) Patriots; (29) Lions; (30) Bears; (31) 49ers; and (32) Packers.

Second, claims are made without knowing who else has made a claim. Thus, every team that wants Orton must make a claim, and his contract will be awarded based on application of the priority list.

Third, the window closes at 4:00 p.m. ET. Thereafter, word as to where Orton is heading surely will surface, along with a list of all other teams that put in a claim.

Fourth, several of you have asked for an explanation of the respective rights of the team and the player if the player doesn’t want to play for the team that picks him. I’ll post an explanation of the process after PFT Live. I’ll possibly touch on the procedure during the show, which hopefully will give you another reason to tune in at 12:00 p.m. ET.

While I’m pushing PFT Live, I’ll also address the latest developments in the Tebowmania phenomenon, and I’ll explain what the Jets are doing by giving Mark Brunell reps with the first-team offense, based on some of the non-profane words from the mouth of Rex Ryan.

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Clayton: "What Orton's trying to do is get word to KC to stay off...maybe sit out the rest of the season & not play & not report to Chiefs."

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ESPN's John Clayton suggested on SportsCenter that Kyle Orton might not report to the #Chiefs if they claim him off waivers today.



Now i hope we claim him **** this guy.

:shake:

Yes
Curb your Orton lust. Sounds like it's the Bears or he sets out the season for FA

Good, sit out Kyle. Claim him. I hope he doesn't show up, he forefits 2.6 million and the Chiefs keep losing to stay in the top 5.

It's kinda of **** you to the Broncos
Thanks for cutting me loose, but you're still going to pay
Why put in a claim

Well, he may not hate him....but Josh sure did trade a whole lot to draft Tebow to replace him.

That right there should tell you enough about how he feels about Orton as a franchise qb.

Seriously though, if McD is our next coach...I'm going on football hiatus and will start watching baseball a lot more and will even learn the game of hockey.

I won't root for a cheater.

Maybe I'm just an asshole, but if I'm Pioli and I get word that he won't report...I put in a claim FOR SURE. Especially with the Bears left on the schedule.

This.

I seriously hope we claim him now. **** you Orton.

Yep. Sit on it and get the comp pick.

Put in a claim & put 2.5 million in Denver's pocket

You guys should be listening to Kevin Harlan and Soren Petro.

Petro thinks they need to sign Orton yesterday because he can help them make the playoffs.

Harlan thinks Orton won't come here because Matt Cassel is the entrenched starter. He didn't come out and say it, but I get the feeling the Chiefs are so sold on Cassel they'd never consider anyone that could potentially unseat him. :(

Claim Him!!!! Absolutely. **** that guy, and let him eat a bucket of dick for the rest of the season...on his couch!!!.:thumb:

He's going to get claimed, regardless whether it's KC or not. So the money that denver is 'saving' is irrelevant, cause it's gonna happen. If he doesn't show up, then KC doesn't have to pay it, either.

Even if he doesn't report? How can that work?

If he lets it be know he'll only play for the Bears. No one claims him
the Bears let him slide through waivers for less $$
Orton gets the money Denver owes him & maybe what Chicago pays

If the chiefs claim him and he doesn't report hes out that 2.6 m and denver is off the hook for it.

Meh, nothing those guys say anymore carries any validity as far as I am concerned. Their take on the Mizzou/SEC thing was totally full of fail.

I can make all sorts of statements about how I won't watch if this or that happens.

However, it is all BS.

Heck, when the Chiefs lost to Miami and Denver, I thought....well at least I won't be on Chiefsplanet as much and I can get work done.

Ooops.

As far as the trade for Tebow..... Orton's last year was this year under his contract. I think that McDaniels thought he would have Tebow ready to start by next year. You don't have to hate a guy to draft a guy you think will be better.

I don't hate Cassel, but if the Chiefs could draft Luck... I am all for it. I am not sold on Barkley. He is a little shorter than I prefer, plus he is a USC QB...and they just haven't fared well in the NFL.

This makes sense. USC typically has superior talent to other teams in their conference. Therefore, it is easier to be successful at USC than other schools.