You should make a fatty forum where all the rotund planeteers can commiserate about being fat and unhealthy. It will be a big hit, I assure you!

Yeah that is a bit excessive. But, your heart needs loving too. :)

Yeah I agree with you on that. Candy is candy but there are alot of products out there that are essentially candy that are marketed differently. Fruit snacks are a great example.

LMAO 2000 calories of sugar. Learn to read.

Well, in reality you probably wouldn't starve to death on 2,000 calories of sugar.

You would probably die of some other deficiency before you "starved" to death.

Glucose and sucrose are not the same thing. Your body breaks carbs down into glucose.

http://www.differencebetween.net/sci...e-and-sucrose/

You wouldn't starve to death but you'd probably kill someone due to hunger. :)

most fruit juice is just liquid sugar

doctors have started telling parents not to give it to young kids.

refined sugar is just terrible ... period.

How much is terrible?

Splitting hairs.

Death by malnourishment.

I wonder if Buck is drinking alcohol...

it's all terrible, you can just get away with eating it up to a certain point.


just like all the other bad shit

I recently read an article from a heart doctor that essentially said heart disease is caused by inflammation in the body. This inflammation causes cholesterol to build up...which of course eventually leads to blockage or clots.

He said that the causes for inflammation are the overloading of highly processed carbohydrates (sugar, flour and the products made from them).

Note the word overload. Moderation is key...cutting it out completely is nonsense and, given that damn near everything has sugar in it, practically impossible. Eat a sensible diet, don't go overboard on the sweets/sodas, exercise regularly and you will be ok.

Be a nutcase and cut it out completely...probably binge within a few months and land back at square 1.

i wonder if i'm going to take a shit tomorrow.
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No, they aren't. But, everything gets broken down. Sucrose eventually gets broken down, too.

http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articl...ohydrates.html

"The body interprets and handles all types of sugar in basically the same way. The resulting simple sugar goes into the bloodstream."

Orange juice is very high in sugar. ''soft fruits'' like grapes are very high in sugar. apples are ok, they arent as high in sugar. but you are correct young fella.

Hey guys, I'll be right back. I gotta take a shit and want to lose weight right now. you guys wait here.

The 'sweet' taste is caused by acidity. Sugary foods are acidic and body PH is very important. That's essentially the root cause of the inflammation. Cholesterol is basically an in line goo patch for weakened or cracked arteries. Thus it's actually saving your life until it clogs things up.

It should be noted that fruits are acidic, but the body converts the body to an alkaline. Our bodies are designed for fruits and nuts. People don't eat enough of either.

Even apples are high in sugar when compared to other natural foods, perhaps not so much compared to a lot of other fruits.

Bananas are high in sugar and they're easily one of the best foods you can eat.

If one avoids fruit because of the sugar, they're thinking too small. A good diet isn't about avoiding or focusing on one thing (be it calories, carbs, or fat) and cutting it. You gotta look at the bigger picture. Your body needs sugars for quick energy and fats and proteins for a more sustained energy.

Personally I eat mostly fruit in the mornings... a bottle of OJ and a banana at least. The sugar and vitamins give me a quick energy boost that other people seem to prefer getting from coffee.

The studies target added sugar, not the natural sugars found in fruit.

I responded to something someone said about sugars in fruits. You should have seen it quoted in my post.

Read this book. You'll realize that bread is sugar too.

...and this is why I hate vilifying certain foods. You end up excluding just about everything.

The devil is usually in the dose, not the actual food or product. That's why eating a balanced diet with a reasonable caloric intake works really well. You don't exclude anything, get lots of varied nutrients and still get to enjoy life (like eating cake) without wanting to kill yourself because you're constantly worried about what you can and cannot eat.

All things in moderation. Not complicated at all.

Not easy, but not complicated.

I was told earlier that such a stance was a 'cop-out'.

How it was a 'cop-out' was never explained, but I try not to expect too much from this group. I doubt guy knows what it even means. It's making an excuse for avoiding accountability. Saying that people should take responsibility for their own diet is not a cop out... it's the exact opposite. Blaming sugar for being fat... that's a cop out. Sugar makes you fat, but you have to eat it. It's not injected into you by the government.

I do agree with you though.

The most important part people dont realize is that eating a lot of fruit and salads causes very very nice 5 star bowel movements. thats one of the most important reasons why I eat fruit. f the sugar..lol

Just eat whatever you want . Just don`t overdue it. **** this shit Im out! **** the government ,**** obama and his porker of a wife! Put that bitch on a diet!

"Extra" sugar is still just a matter of consumption. It's six and one half dozen to the other. You may eat grapes and get 50g of sugar. Or, you may drink some juice that has added sugar, but still end up ingesting only 50g of sugar.

What's the big deal?

The body processes fructose and sucrose differently.

Sucrose still gets broken down into simple sugars in the end.

How about the fact that fiber slows absorption into the body and blood, which lowers GI.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17234503

Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
Fructose has been implicated in obesity, partly due to lack of insulin-mediated leptin stimulation and ghrelin suppression. Most work has examined effects of pure fructose, rather than high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), the most commonly consumed form of fructose. This study examined effects of beverages sweetened with HFCS or sucrose (Suc), when consumed with mixed meals, on blood glucose, insulin, leptin, ghrelin, and appetite.
METHODS:
Thirty lean women were studied on two randomized 2-d visits during which HFCS- and Suc-sweetened beverages were consumed as 30% of energy on isocaloric diets during day 1 while blood was sampled. On day 2, food was eaten ad libitum. Subjects rated appetite at designated times throughout visits.
RESULTS:
No significant differences between the two sweeteners were seen in fasting plasma glucose, insulin, leptin, and ghrelin (P > 0.05). The within-day variation in all four items was not different between the two visits (P > 0.05). Net areas under the curve were similar for glucose, insulin, and leptin (P > 0.05). There were no differences in energy or macronutrient intake on day 2. The only appetite variable that differed between sweeteners was desire to eat, which had a higher area under the curve the day after Suc compared with HFCS.
CONCLUSION:
These short-term results suggest that, when fructose is consumed in the form of HFCS, the measured metabolic responses do not differ from Suc in lean women. Further research is required to examine appetite responses and to determine if these findings hold true for obese individuals, males, or longer periods.

The difference is in the rate at which they are metabolized.

Studies suggest otherwise. See above. There are more if you wish to look at them on pubmed.

My daily blood sugars trump studies. I can eat a whole bunch of fruit and take my blood sugar, or drink a glass of juice. My sugars will spike harder and faster with juice... Every. Single. Time.

That study also says it examined beverages. I was talking about fruit vs. fruit juice. Not sure how your study applies.

Of course it will. That doesn't mean it's making you fat or that it's unhealthy.

don't know about all of Silock's test etc but do the test on yourself

eat until full with a meal without a bunch of cheap(sugar)
note how long before you feel hungry again

next day(or whenever)
eat same meal only add a dessert(candy,donuts ... you know the deal)
note the time before you get hungry again

for me if i have the dessert i will get hungry again in an hour NO MATTER how much i've eaten for dinner. I keep getting hungry every hour until i resist eating the sugar(dessert). My stomach feels bloated and i know i've eaten enough but i still crave more dessert stuff. It seems like i can even feel it when i sweat after eating a bunch of sugar food, my sweat feels 'sticky'. Same way you can tell when you sweat after drinking the night before. :)


just sayin'

of course it does because when his sugar spikes he craves more food

For a diabetic, yes it does. That's pretty much exactly what it means.

It was talking about fructose vs. sucrose. The delivery system was selected simply because it's a common delivery system.

I addressed GI earlier and why it's not the huge deal everyone makes it out to be when you control for daily intake.

Craving doesn't mean you have to eat.

When your sugar spikes and you have excess glucose it triggers fat storage. Thus, sugar spikes = more fat storage than the even release when sugar from fruit is metabolized.

I didn't know we were talking about diabetics. That's the first time it's come up in this discussion.

As for the sugar argument.... you can eat nothing but sugary sweets and lose weight.

This guy (a nutrition professor) did a test to prove to his students the calorie in vs. calorie out. He ate nothing but Hostess sweets for 10 weeks and lost 27 pounds. Limited himself to 1,800 calories.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08...sor/index.html

So what? Fine, that energy gets stored as fat. But if you don't eat later, what was stored will be burned off for energy. It's just a matter of shifting around when the energy gets burned. It might be immediately because it doesn't get stored, in which case, you have to eat again. Or it might be later, in which case your body will dip into the fat stores to cover energy needs.

I was talking about me. Why else would someone take daily blood sugar measurements (serious question)? I thought that was implied, but certainly could be wrong.

now you're just be silly

of course you don't have to eat but sugar spikes cause cravings which are very difficult to resist and overrides the bodies natural 'i'm full' signal.

a lot of these people who are obese probably wouldn't have that problem without the cravings that simple sugars cause.

I dunno. I've done it before and I'm not diabetic /shrug

I'm being silly because I'm suggesting people have self-control? Okay.

so first you say that the simple sugar DOESN'T work different

now you're saying that it might work different but people just need to 'get over it'

simple sugar is bad for everyone except studs like Silock

is that better?



:rolleyes:

Wow. Lets just ban sugar then. :rolleyes:

I'm saying its effect on whether or not you are fat is exactly the same from a calorie standpoint. 3000 calories of simple sugars will make you just as fat as 3000 calories of complex sugars.

I didn't say it was easy.

Put it this way: Cardiovascular exercises stimulates an appetite response. It makes you hungry. So, if you're on a diet, should you avoid cardio simply because it makes you hungry? It might even make you hungry enough to eat exactly the amount of calories (or more) that you burned through exercise. The key is self-control. It always is.

One of the biggest changes I made was to stop drinking my calories. I pretty much only drink water now except on those rare beer occasions that pop up a few times a year.

nobody said that, you gigantic douche.

but simple sugar is bad for you ... period.

all the people trying to twist it or make excuses are just full of shit

I cut back to one can of diet soda a couple weeks ago, and then about a week ago I went diet soda free.

I've switched to iced tea, with about a half-teaspoon of Splenda. I'm trying to wean myself off the Splenda though, to just plain unsweetened iced tea.

good for you

My next step, I think, is iced tea before noon, iced water after. Still mulling on that one.

True or false: Complex sugars are absorbed into the body as simple sugars.

You guys focus way too much on body chemistry and what foods are good and bad and blah blah blah.

I have single digit body fat and it's not because I'm just awesome. It's not because I exercises a lot. It's because I have self-control. Yes, I eat whatever I want, including *gasp* simply sugars *I'MGONNADIE*. The key is that I don't eat as much as I possibly can of them.

I control for caloric intake. I'm not fat because I don't eat more than I burn. If I did, I'd be fat, and how much exercise I do wouldn't matter. If I burn 3000 calories and eat 5000, I'm getting fat.

All this focus on good and bad foods is taking away from the fact that people just need to stop eating so much goddamn food. That's why people are fat. It's not because of sugar making you store fat (which you all should realize CAN be burned off... it's not permanent).

Guess what? I'm hungry right the **** now. I've been hungry for hours. Ice cream sounds amazing. Juice sounds amazing. But what am I not doing? Ingesting that. Why? Because I have self-control. I might eat some later, but if I do, you can be sure as shit that I won't eat more than my daily caloric allowance lets me.

Many are focusing too much on body weight. Not being fat doesn't equal healthy. Being skinny doesn't equal healthy. Hell, there are professional athletes who go on to have heart attacks at (relatively) young ages. What you put into your body matters and arguments otherwise are, IMO, asinine. Not saying anything bad will kill you, moderation is key.

You cannot ingest iocane powder. It is odorless, tasteless, and dissolves instantly in liquid.

It will kill you, even a little.

Ok?

A LOT of sugar is bad. A little is not.

Sugar is not Meth.

This.


I can't believe people are missing this whole concept.

Oh wow someone gets it!

Seriously, cutting out food groups to the point where you're eating nothing but lettuce will amount to shitty living. Just learn how to moderate and do physical activity beyond pressing the X button on your controller to run.

Soda, chips, candy bars, fruit snacks, and other processed crap are not food groups.

Marion Nestle, who I really like as a food/nutrition writer, has a new book that, I believe, has this exact premise.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...others/254888/

I don't think anyone here would argue with the fact that eating excess sugar all the time would be bad. It's all the 'sugar makes you fat' arguments when being fat or not boils down to simply a surplus or deficit in daily calories.

Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.

It's not quite that simple.

Chemical bonds require energy to break. Simple carbohydrates are MUCH easier to destroy than fats and proteins. Over-eating simple carbohydrates more readily creates a caloric surplus and ends up leading to the body storing excess calories as fat.

In the end you are correct, but maintaining a proper balance is the key to not having a surplus. Eating more lean protein and proper fats is more filling and therefore makes it easier to prevent over-eating.

im going to opening day and im gonna eat nachos and hot dogs and peanuts and cotton candy and ICE CREAM. tons and tons of ice cream. theyre just gonna have to bring a wheelbarrow down to my seat so i can scoop it all out with a ladel and yell at the bullpen pitchers for being too fat.

Thats the Marijuana food group.

Constantly browsing this thread forces me to look at the still image of those cupcakes every time. I'm tired of craving them. Think I'll go eat a box and not get diabetes because I'm awesome.

Please watch this. I care about you all.

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146 Reasons Why Sugar Destroys Your Health
25th June 2012
By Nancy Appleton PhD – nancyappleton.com

Excerpted from Suicide by Sugar

1. Sugar can suppress the immune system.
2. Sugar upsets the mineral relationships in the body.
3. Sugar can cause hyperactivity, anxiety, difficulty concentrating, and crankiness in children.
4. Sugar can produce a significant rise in triglycerides.
5. Sugar contributes to the reduction in defense against bacterial infection (infectious diseases).
6. Sugar causes a loss of tissue elasticity and function, the more sugar you eat the more elasticity and function you lose.
7. Sugar reduces high-density lipoproteins.
8. Sugar leads to chromium deficiency.
9. Sugar leads to cancer of the ovaries.
10. Sugar can increase fasting levels of glucose.
11. Sugar causes copper deficiency.
12. Sugar interferes with absorption of calcium and magnesium.
13. Sugar may make eyes more vulnerable to age-related macular degeneration.
14. Sugar raises the level of a neurotransmitters: dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine.
15. Sugar can cause hypoglycemia.
16. Sugar can produce an acidic digestive tract.
17. Sugar can cause a rapid rise of adrenaline levels in children.
18. Sugar malabsorption is frequent in patients with functional bowel disease.
19. Sugar can cause premature aging.
20. Sugar can lead to alcoholism.
21. Sugar can cause tooth decay.
22. Sugar contributes to obesity
23. High intake of sugar increases the risk of Crohn’s disease, and ulcerative colitis.
24. Sugar can cause changes frequently found in person with gastric or duodenal ulcers.
25. Sugar can cause arthritis.
26. Sugar can cause asthma.
27. Sugar greatly assists the uncontrolled growth of Candida Albicans (yeast infections).
28. Sugar can cause gallstones.
29. Sugar can cause heart disease.
30. Sugar can cause appendicitis.
31. Sugar can cause hemorrhoids.
32. Sugar can cause varicose veins.
33. Sugar can elevate glucose and insulin responses in oral contraceptive users.
34. Sugar can lead to periodontal disease.
35. Sugar can contribute to osteoporosis.
36. Sugar contributes to saliva acidity.
37. Sugar can cause a decrease in insulin sensitivity.
38. Sugar can lower the amount of Vitamin E (alpha-Tocopherol) in the blood.
39. Sugar can decrease growth hormone.
40. Sugar can increase cholesterol.
41. Sugar can increase the systolic blood pressure.
42. High sugar intake increases advanced glycation end products (AGEs)(Sugar bound non-enzymatically to protein)
43. Sugar can interfere with the absorption of protein.
44. Sugar causes food allergies.
45. Sugar can contribute to diabetes.
46. Sugar can cause toxemia during pregnancy.
47. Sugar can contribute to eczema in children.
48. Sugar can cause cardiovascular disease.
49. Sugar can impair the structure of DNA
50. Sugar can change the structure of protein.
51. Sugar can make our skin age by changing the structure of collagen.
52. Sugar can cause cataracts.
53. Sugar can cause emphysema.
54. Sugar can cause atherosclerosis.
55. Sugar can promote an elevation of low-density lipoproteins (LDL).
56. High sugar intake can impair the physiological homeostasis of many systems in the body.
57. Sugar lowers the enzymes ability to function.
58. Sugar intake is higher in people with Parkinson’s disease.
59. Sugar can increase the size of the liver by making the liver cells divide.
60. Sugar can increase the amount of liver fat.
61. Sugar can increase kidney size and produce pathological changes in the kidney.
62. Sugar can damage the pancreas.
63. Sugar can increase the body’s fluid retention.
64. Sugar is enemy #1 of the bowel movement.
65. Sugar can cause myopia (nearsightedness).
66. Sugar can compromise the lining of the capillaries.
67. Sugar can make the tendons more brittle.
68. Sugar can cause headaches, including migraine.
69. Sugar plays a role in pancreatic cancer in women.
70. Sugar can adversely affect school children’s grades and cause learning disorders.
71. Sugar can cause depression.
72. Sugar increases the risk of gastric cancer.
73. Sugar and cause dyspepsia (indigestion).
74. Sugar can increase your risk of getting gout.
75. Sugar can increase the levels of glucose in an oral glucose tolerance test over the ingestion of complex carbohydrates.
76. Sugar can increase the insulin responses in humans consuming high-sugar diets compared to low-sugar diets.
77. A diet high in refined sugar reduces learning capacity.
78. Sugar can cause less effective functioning of two blood proteins, albumin, and lipoproteins, which may reduce the body’s ability to handle fat and cholesterol.
79. Sugar can contribute to Alzheimer’s disease.
80. Sugar can cause platelet adhesiveness.
81. Sugar can cause hormonal imbalance; some hormones become under active and others become overactive.
82. Sugar can lead to the formation of kidney stones.
83. Diets high in sugar can cause free radicals and oxidative stress.
84. High sugar diet can lead to biliary tract cancer.
85. High sugar consumption of pregnant adolescents is associated with a twofold-increased risk for delivering a small-for-gestational-age (SGA) infant.
86. High sugar consumption can lead to substantial decrease in gestation duration among adolescents.
87. Sugar slows food’s travel time through the gastrointestinal tract.
88. Sugar increases the concentration of bile acids in stools and bacterial enzymes in the colon. This can modify bile to produce cancer-causing compounds and colon cancer.
89. Sugar increases estradiol (the most potent form of naturally occurring estrogen) in men.
90. Sugar combines with and destroys phosphatase, an enzyme, which makes the process of digestion more difficult.
91. Sugar can be a risk factor of gallbladder cancer.
92. Sugar is an addictive substance.
93. Sugar can be intoxicating, similar to alcohol.
94. Sugar can exacerbate PMS.
95. Sugar given to premature babies can affect the amount of carbon dioxide they produce.
96. Decrease in sugar intake can increase emotional stability.
97. The rapid absorption of sugar promotes excessive food intake in obese subjects.
98. Sugar can worsen the symptoms of children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).
99. Sugar adversely affects urinary electrolyte composition.
100. Sugar can slow down the ability of the adrenal glands to function.
101. I.Vs (intravenous feedings) of sugar water can cut off oxygen to the brain.
102. High sucrose intake could be an important risk factor in lung cancer.
103. Sugar increases the risk of polio.
104. High sugar intake can cause epileptic seizures.
105. Sugar causes high blood pressure in obese people.
106. In Intensive Care Units, limiting sugar saves lives.
107. Sugar may induce cell death.
108. Sugar can increase the amount of food that you eat.
109. In juvenile rehabilitation camps, when children were put on a low sugar diet, there was a 44% drop in antisocial behavior.
110. Sugar can lead to prostrate cancer.
111. Sugar dehydrates newborns.
112. Sugar can cause low birth weight babies.
113. Greater consumption of refined sugar is associated with a worse outcome of schizophrenia
114. Sugar can raise homocysteine levels in the blood stream.
115. Sweet food items increase the risk of breast cancer.
116. Sugar is a risk factor in cancer of the small intestine.
117. Sugar may cause laryngeal cancer.
118. Sugar induces salt and water retention.
119. Sugar may contribute to mild memory loss.
120. The more sodas a 10 year old child consumes, the less milk.
121. Sugar can increase the total amount of food consumed.
122. Exposing a newborn to sugar results in a heightened preference for sucrose relative to water at 6 months and 2 years of age.
123. Sugar causes constipation.
124. Sugar causes varicose veins.
125. Sugar can cause brain decay in prediabetic and diabetic women.
126. Sugar can increase the risk of stomach cancer.
127. Sugar can cause metabolic syndrome.
128. Sugar ingestion by pregnant women increases neural tube defects in embryos.
129. Sugar can be a factor in asthma.
130. The higher the sugar consumption the more chances of getting irritable bowel syndrome.
131. Sugar can affect the brain’s ability to deal with rewards and consequences.
132. Sugar can cause cancer of the rectum.
133. Sugar can cause endometrial cancer.
134. Sugar can cause renal (kidney) cell carcinoma.
135. Sugar can cause liver tumors.
136. Sugar can increase inflammatory markers in the blood stream of overweight people.
137. Sugar can lower Vitamin E levels in the blood stream.
138. Sugar can increase your appetite for all food.
139. Sugar plays a role in the etiology and the continuation of acne.
140. Too much sugar can kill your sex life.
141. Sugar saps school performance in children.
142. Sugar can cause fatigue, moodiness, nervousness and depression.
143. Sugar is common choice of obese individuals.
144. A linear decrease in the intake of many essential nutrients is associated with increasing total sugar intake.
145. High fructose consumption has been linked to liver disease.
146. Sugar adds to the risk of bladder cancer.

I think there are a total of about 5 things on that list, repeated 30 times.


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