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mcaj22 09-04-2012 10:37 PM
instead of getting KING KONG on his arms it should have been CANT TACKLE

NJChiefsFan 09-04-2012 10:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8878786)
There it is courtesy of cassel's reckoning
Give me a break man. You can't list missed tackles per SNAP. You need to list missed tackles compared to actual tackles. If you stand on the field and don't get to any tackles, you aren't going to have misses. Please tell me that missed tackles per snap is not the whole set of stats you are referring to.

Gravedigger 09-04-2012 10:50 PM
If we start sucking in the first half of this year I just want to clear house and start from scratch with the pieces we have -Cassel -Pioli -Romeo -Any coach that's come into this organization since the Dick Vermeil era. Clark needs to show some big boy balls and understand he writes the checks for winning franchises, not "psuedo-secretive poorly drafted always blaming injuries as the reason we couldn't get it done" franchises. Before Preseason we were saying how deep we've gotten, outside of QB and some other positions, in Free Agency and the Draft. Now we're down three, maybe four guys after preseason and our defense doesn't look deep at all. Same shit, different year.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 06:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 8878911)
Give me a break man. You can't list missed tackles per SNAP. You need to list missed tackles compared to actual tackles. If you stand on the field and don't get to any tackles, you aren't going to have misses. Please tell me that missed tackles per snap is not the whole set of stats you are referring to.
Siler has enough stats over his career to say otherwise. BTW, the stats compared Siler's career stats to DJ's stats last season. What would it look like if we did DJ's whole career?

Black Bob 09-05-2012 06:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8877919)
Question.....who is judging and determining missed tackles?

You? The guy who couldn't tell the difference between Stanzi and Tanney? The guy who thought Pitoitua was playing NT?
I owned up to the Tanney mistake. I know you saw it. Pitoitua plays NT when we go with two down linemen. I know you saw what I wrote about this to. By definition a NT lines up between the center and guard. Pitoitua has lined up between the center and the right guard every time this preseason. That's what NT do.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 06:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 8878069)
No, you're just making a bad argument. It's meaningless though. My only point was that BlackBob wasn't getting owned on the tackles topic. This really isn't anything worth getting worked up about, so I'll just bow out of this.

Have a great night.
Thanks for keeping it real. :thumb:

SAUTO 09-05-2012 06:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8879208)
Siler has enough stats over his career to say otherwise. BTW, the stats compared Siler's career stats to DJ's stats last season. What would it look like if we did DJ's whole career?
the stats compared the same number of snaps, not DJ's fault he plays as many snaps in a year as siler has played in his career

The Franchise 09-05-2012 09:52 AM
Who is that on the ground?

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/photo_image...xtra_large.jpg

Sofa King 09-05-2012 09:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8879578)
Tackling is his Achilles heel.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8879578)
Who is that on the ground?
Wasn't it you who said something like "show me a linebacker who doesn't miss tackles?" Yes, it was you. If you really want to know the truth, Siler has one tackle that was more important and memorable than any of DJ's. It was a tackle that got them into the playoffs on a 4th and goal against Dallas. If you don't believe me, go ask their fans about it. Also, I could show you at least 100 DJ pics of the type you are showing me. I stuck it out and found gifs. You are a pussy who continues to have nothing.

Quote:
the stats compared the same number of snaps, not DJ's fault he plays as many snaps in a year as siler has played in his career
This is just stupid. Why is Siler still in the league Jason? What would have ever convinced the Chiefs to sign the guy? Why hasn't anyone beat him out for a roster spot yet? How many years has he been in the league?

You can't use DJ's numbers from one year versus Siler's career numbers. It needs to be a career thing to be fair. The question is who tackles better. It's not about who is the better player. A guy that is a fundamentally sound player, will continue to tackle consistantly. That will show up in the missed tackle per attempt statistic. DJ has never been consistant. He's had two good seasons. Siler could never put up DJ's numbers but he is much more consistant. It's like I said earlier. It's why Siler plays special teams and DJ does not. It's why Berry plays special teams and Lewis does not.

Brock 09-05-2012 12:00 PM
Yep, Siler will be long remembered by somebody somewhere.

ToxSocks 09-05-2012 12:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8879950)
If you don't believe me, go ask their fans about it. Also, I could show you at least 100 DJ pics of the type you are showing me. I stuck it out and found gifs. You are a pussy who continues to have nothing.
LMAO LMAO LMAO

Trust me, as a San Diego Native who listens to their sports radio every morning, Siler has not been missed. Not last year, and not this year. Don't be silly.

Also, even if everyone were to concede that Siler is a better tackler, what difference does it make when he can't get into position and close the gap to make the tackle in the first place?

Siler is a slow, flat footed LB. Always has been.

The Franchise 09-05-2012 12:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8879950)
Wasn't it you who said something like "show me a linebacker who doesn't miss tackles?" Yes, it was you. If you really want to know the truth, Siler has one tackle that was more important and memorable than any of DJ's. It was a tackle that got them into the playoffs on a 4th and goal against Dallas. If you don't believe me, go ask their fans about it. Also, I could show you at least 100 DJ pics of the type you are showing me. I stuck it out and found gifs. You are a pussy who continues to have nothing.
Siler has one tackle that was more important and memorable than any of DJ's? Really?

You really are a ****ing reerun. Seriously.....you have brought NO evidence to backup your claims. Show me gifs of Siler making tackles. Shit....show me the almighty tackle that you just brought up. Until then.....your knowledge amounts to jackshit.

ToxSocks 09-05-2012 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8879950)



This is just stupid. Why is Siler still in the league Jason? What would have ever convinced the Chiefs to sign the guy? Why hasn't anyone beat him out for a roster spot yet? How many years has he been in the league?
This is terrible logic.

Why hasn't Siler been able to beat out Belcher, an UDFA, a solid yet unspectacular player?

You're comparing Siler to 3rd and 4th string UDRFA's.....doesn't that say enough?

Black Bob 09-05-2012 12:27 PM
Why is it that so many people areound here are "kick him when they're down" or "sucker punch" types. I mean it's all in this thread. Just go back and read it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8879987)
LMAO LMAO LMAO

Trust me, as a San Diego Native who listens to their sports radio every morning, Siler has not been missed. Not last year, and not this year. Don't be silly.

Also, even if everyone were to concede that Siler is a better tackler, what difference does it make when he can't get into position and close the gap to make the tackle in the first place?

Siler is a slow, flat footed LB. Always has been.
I posted quotes form the Chargers forum about how he would be missed. There are a ton of them. I know he can't close the gap. That's not the argument. All I said is that Siler is a good back up. I said he's a better tackler than DJ but sucks in coverage and is not a playmaker.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8879991)
Siler has one tackle that was more important and memorable than any of DJ's? Really?

You really are a ****ing reerun. Seriously.....you have brought NO evidence to backup your claims. Show me gifs of Siler making tackles. Shit....show me the almighty tackle that you just brought up. Until then.....your knowledge amounts to jackshit.
In my short time on this board it has become obvious to me that you are the most useless poster here. I'm done with you. You don't know anything about football. All you do is follow other posters and jump on their coat tails. You are the pathetic of the pathetic. It would be nice if you would take my bet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8880004)
This is terrible logic.

Why hasn't Siler been able to beat out Belcher, an UDFA, a solid yet unspectacular player?

You're comparing Siler to 3rd and 4th string UDRFA's.....doesn't that say enough?
Because Belcher is better than Siler.

Siler was a 7th round draft pick. He went 240th overall. He has played six season and hasn't been beaten out. Do you guys understand how the league works? The good players stick around for a while and the bad ones do not. It's why Jon McGraw had a ten year career. All it would take to beat him out would be one really fast linebacker who is a decent tackler who can play special teams right?

WRONG

Guys like Siler are hard to find.

The Franchise 09-05-2012 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8880065)
Why is it that so many people areound here are "kick him when they're down" or "sucker punch" types. I mean it's all in this thread. Just go back and read it.



I posted quotes form the Chargers forum about how he would be missed. There are a ton of them. I know he can't close the gap. That's not the argument. All I said is that Siler is a good back up. I said he's a better tackler than DJ but sucks in coverage and is not a playmaker.




In my short time on this board it has become obvious to me that you are the most useless poster here. I'm done with you. You don't know anything about football. All you do is follow other posters and jump on their coat tails. You are the pathetic of the pathetic. It would be nice if you would take my bet.



Because Belcher is better than Siler.

Siler was a 7th round draft pick. He went 240th overall. He has played six season and hasn't been beaten out. Do you guys understand how the league works? The good players stick around for a while and the bad ones do not. It's why Jon McGraw had a ten year career. All it would take to beat him out would be one really fast linebacker who is a decent tackler who can play special teams right?

WRONG

Guys like Siler are hard to find.
Dude....you do realize that you could find people on this board that missed Tyler Thigpen when he was gone.....right? Fan's opinions are worth exactly nothing as proof that a player is better at tackling.

I don't know anything about football? You've shown nothing in the short time that you've been here to show me that you know anything about anything. The only reason that anyone even knows who you are....is because you started a stupid attention whore thread introducing yourself. You've been proven time and time again to be a ****ing reerun.

The Franchise 09-05-2012 12:31 PM
Seriously.....I now despise the Coalition and I've never been there.

The Franchise 09-05-2012 12:33 PM
Oh....and show me where I jumped on other poster's coat tails.

And by show....I mean post proof you ****ing mouth breather.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 12:40 PM
I know you are upset but, I'm done with you man. I'm done with the Coalition to. Anyone who pays attention around here can see that you jump on coat tails. You are a weak weak man.... or kid?

The Franchise 09-05-2012 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8880113)
I know you are upset but, I'm done with you man. I'm done with the Coalition to. Anyone who pays attention around here can see that you jump on coat tails. You are a weak weak man.... or kid?
:facepalm:

Go start a thread about how McCluster is quicker than Charles.

Sofa King 09-05-2012 12:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8880113)
I know you are upset but, I'm done with you man. I'm done with the Coalition to. Anyone who pays attention around here can see that you jump on coat tails. You are a weak weak man.... or kid?
You said it man. Pestilence has always been a bitch.

You should have seen the stuff this kid pulled before you got here. Thank god we finally have someone to control him.

The Franchise 09-05-2012 12:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 8880129)
You said it man. Pestilence has always been a bitch.

You should have seen the stuff this kid pulled before you got here. Thank god we finally have someone to control him.
LMAO

Black Bob 09-05-2012 12:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 8880129)
You said it man. Pestilence has always been a bitch.

You should have seen the stuff this kid pulled before you got here. Thank god we finally have someone to control him.
No problem. You wouldn't believe the positive rep I have gotten for standing up to him, SNR, and a couple of others. It's pretty funny. :thumb:

Sofa King 09-05-2012 12:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8880139)
No problem. You wouldn't believe the positive rep I have gotten for standing up to him, SNR, and a couple of others. It's pretty funny. :thumb:
I believe it. I had to reload on Pestilence just so i can pos rep you again.

Dayze 09-05-2012 01:03 PM
Pestilence stole my dead grand-daddy's watch.

he's not a nice person.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 01:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 8880154)
I believe it. I had to reload on Pestilence just so i can pos rep you again.
What's funny is how much he tries to counter it. See below. LMAO

Quote:
Teicher: Johnson,... 09-05-2012 02:40 PM Pestilence Take your reeruned ass back to the Coalition.

Teicher: Johnson,... 09-05-2012 02:39 PM Pestilence Go **** yourself.

Teicher: Johnson,... 09-05-2012 02:39 PM Pestilence Guess who's going to get neg repped every day now for being a reerun? That's right....you!




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o30wacwdoc

The Franchise 09-05-2012 01:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8880175)
What's funny is how much he tries to counter it. See below. LMAO







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o30wacwdoc
Oh....there's more to come, son.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/24937642.jpg

The Franchise 09-05-2012 01:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 8880172)
Pestilence stole my dead grand-daddy's watch.

he's not a nice person.
http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/eg...bd7beb9236.jpg

QuikSsurfer 09-05-2012 01:10 PM
^^ I wish people would grasp that they can't hotlink to that site...

The Franchise 09-05-2012 01:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer (Post 8880190)
^^ I wish people would grasp that they can't hotlink from that site...
Works for me. :thumb:

QuikSsurfer 09-05-2012 01:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8880194)
Works for me. :thumb:
It's cached on your end.

The Franchise 09-05-2012 01:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by QuikSsurfer (Post 8880197)
It's cached on your end.
Your problem being......?

Black Bob 09-05-2012 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8880200)
Your problem being......?
We can't see it ****stick. I've already told you that you can't even post a picture right in this thread. You're an idiot!LMAO

QuikSsurfer 09-05-2012 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8880200)
Your problem being......?
I don't have a problem. You're linking something that is showing up as a broken link to everyone else.
Do you understand what I meant in my previous post?

Black Bob 09-05-2012 01:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8877572)
It's not funny. You can't even get your pic right. You suck ass.
See? That's twice in one thread ****stick.

The Franchise 09-05-2012 01:17 PM
I fully understand. I'm just saying that I really don't give a shit.

And I'm being a jackass as well.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8880218)
I fully understand. I'm just saying that I really don't give a shit.

And I'm being a jackass as well.
If you don't give a shit then why respond?

RealSNR 09-05-2012 02:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8880139)
No problem. You wouldn't believe the positive rep I have gotten for standing up to him, SNR, and a couple of others. It's pretty funny. :thumb:
Let me guess. BigRedChief, JustPassinBy, and all the other gay reeruns who don't think stupidity on this forum should be met with contempt.

Great company you're in.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 02:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8880471)
Let me guess. BigRedChief, JustPassinBy, and all the other gay reeruns who don't think stupidity on this forum should be met with contempt.

Great company you're in.
Get back to eating your mom's pussy for an afternoon snack you nasty bastard.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2012 02:47 PM
....and it's still going. Bout time to be hijacked for a midget thread.

RealSNR 09-05-2012 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8880479)
Get back to eating your mom's pussy for an afternoon snack you nasty bastard.
You're nothing but an internet bully :deevee:

SAUTO 09-05-2012 03:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8880481)
....and it's still going. Bout time to be hijacked for a midget thread.
in on that

SAUTO 09-05-2012 03:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8880479)
Get back to eating your mom's pussy for an afternoon snack you nasty bastard.
if its good

saphojunkie 09-05-2012 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8880471)
Let me guess. BigRedChief, JustPassinBy, and all the other gay reeruns who don't think stupidity on this forum should be met with contempt.

Great company you're in.
Oh the ****in irony. Who still says this crap? Get out of the 80's.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 04:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 8880688)
Oh the ****in irony. Who still says this crap? Get out of the 80's.
SNR says it. That's who...

Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2012 04:41 PM
This will be the ballad of Black Bob....

Black Bob was

Black Bob 09-05-2012 04:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8880487)
You're nothing but an internet bully :deevee:
Quit crying dude. I didn't even tell you to sqeal like a pig. It wasn't that bad...

SAUTO 09-05-2012 04:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8880748)
This will be the ballad of Black Bob....

Black Bob was
An internet bully
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Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2012 04:51 PM
pimping a Siler

SAUTO 09-05-2012 04:54 PM
The bestest tackler
Posted via Mobile Device

Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2012 04:55 PM
he ever saw

SAUTO 09-05-2012 04:56 PM
Then the midgets
Posted via Mobile Device

Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2012 04:57 PM
befriended him and

SAUTO 09-05-2012 05:01 PM
He sucked the
Posted via Mobile Device

Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2012 05:02 PM
chrome off a

SAUTO 09-05-2012 05:02 PM
Big black dildo
Posted via Mobile Device

Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2012 05:04 PM
They joined the

Black Bob 09-05-2012 05:04 PM
Lisbon swingers club

SAUTO 09-05-2012 05:06 PM
And got his
Posted via Mobile Device

Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2012 05:07 PM
dick wet for

SAUTO 09-05-2012 05:08 PM
400 pound ass
Posted via Mobile Device

Black Bob 09-05-2012 05:08 PM
like christopher columbus

Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2012 05:09 PM
sailor named Anton

Black Bob 09-05-2012 05:09 PM
on the Santa Maria

SAUTO 09-05-2012 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8880870)
sailor named Anton
, Anton the midget
Posted via Mobile Device

Black Bob 09-05-2012 05:11 PM
and sister Bridget

Pasta Little Brioni 09-05-2012 05:12 PM
was very gentle

SAUTO 09-05-2012 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8880886)
was very gentle
Until the point
Posted via Mobile Device

Black Bob 09-05-2012 05:12 PM
of hemoroid attack

NJChiefsFan 09-05-2012 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8879950)
Wasn't it you who said something like "show me a linebacker who doesn't miss tackles?" Yes, it was you. If you really want to know the truth, Siler has one tackle that was more important and memorable than any of DJ's. It was a tackle that got them into the playoffs on a 4th and goal against Dallas. If you don't believe me, go ask their fans about it. Also, I could show you at least 100 DJ pics of the type you are showing me. I stuck it out and found gifs. You are a pussy who continues to have nothing.



This is just stupid. Why is Siler still in the league Jason? What would have ever convinced the Chiefs to sign the guy? Why hasn't anyone beat him out for a roster spot yet? How many years has he been in the league?

You can't use DJ's numbers from one year versus Siler's career numbers. It needs to be a career thing to be fair. The question is who tackles better. It's not about who is the better player. A guy that is a fundamentally sound player, will continue to tackle consistantly. That will show up in the missed tackle per attempt statistic. DJ has never been consistant. He's had two good seasons. Siler could never put up DJ's numbers but he is much more consistant. It's like I said earlier. It's why Siler plays special teams and DJ does not. It's why Berry plays special teams and Lewis does not.
Why did u post pics of missed tackles then if you are going to say that everyone misses, which is correct.

Look I understand what u r tring to say. My issue is misses per snap doesn't show it. What if siler is 3 for 5 over 100 snaps and dj is 12 for 15. DJ would have more misses but making tackles at a higher percentage.

If a hitter goes 3 for 10 with 5 k's and another 15 for 50 with 7 k's does that mean player A is better in the strikeout category?

NJChiefsFan 09-05-2012 08:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 8878031)
The ability to get to the ball is one thing. The ability to field the ball is another.

The ability to get to the runner is one thing. The ability to tackle the runner is another.

You keep trying to equate them. They aren't the same.
That's true but errors per batter doesn't shiw it, nor does per snap which is the stat bob keeps using. If I saw missed tackle % I would see his point if it went against dj. Even though dj is better still, which bob has also said.

Black Bob 09-05-2012 09:14 PM
I think missed tackle % uses too many stats for this argument. The best example is missed tackles per attempt. Tackle % includes assists I think.

Attempts are attempts. Either you tackle or you don't.

In the end, Siler is a better tackler in my opinion.

I think we've talked this to death.

petegz28 09-05-2012 09:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8880891)
of hemoroid attack
TP roll empty

Black Bob 09-05-2012 09:18 PM
asshole is pimply

Sorter 09-05-2012 09:26 PM
Dear BlackBob,

I hate to be teh Spelling Nazi, but if you're going to continue to post your stupid, ****ing outlandish ideas about Siler and DMC you could at least learn how to spell the ****ing word "consistent".

NJChiefsFan 09-05-2012 09:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8882106)
I think missed tackle % uses too many stats for this argument. The best example is missed tackles per attempt. Tackle % includes assists I think.

Attempts are attempts. Either you tackle or you don't.

In the end, Siler is a better tackler in my opinion.

I think we've talked this to death.
That's fine then use tackles per attempt. Tackles per snap is not the same as that.

mcaj22 09-05-2012 09:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 8882154)
Dear BlackBob,

I hate to be teh Spelling Nazi, but if you're going to continue to post your stupid, ****ing outlandish ideas about Siler and DMC you could at least learn how to spell the ****ing word "consistent".
hahahaha

Black Bob 09-05-2012 09:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 8882154)
Dear BlackBob,

I hate to be teh Spelling Nazi, but if you're going to continue to post your stupid, ****ing outlandish ideas about Siler and DMC you could at least learn how to spell the ****ing word "consistent".
We have a winner..... and that is the worst post of all in this thread. It tells me quite a bit about a person who complains about other people's spelling on a message board. Who is really the idiot?

I have already admitted that smoking pot every day for ten years ruined my spelling. It's here somewhere and you can expect more of the same.:LOL:

Black Bob 09-05-2012 09:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 8882204)
That's fine then use tackles per attempt. Tackles per snap is not the same as that.
It doesn't really matter man. Check out this quote below. I try to think about it before I get to deep into stats.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. "

Albert Einstein

NJChiefsFan 09-05-2012 10:03 PM
Going after my heart with an einy quote eh? That's fine. My issue started with you saying check the "stat book" but never actually referenced or showed them. So that was my issue above all else. Not to mention if it wasn't all about stats you probably shouldn't ask for a stat book check. Finally, when arguing who misses more tackles I think missed tackle stats weigh a decent amount. I trust albert would agree.


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