I don't understand the point of that emphasis. But if a QB is only rated the 15th best player, the fact that he is of a position of need is not enough of a reason to use a rare top pick of the draft on him. Especially if the QB ranked 32, 33, 34, overall is not that far behind as a QB.

I think we are all unified that we want to see this draft bring us a young QB. We are just haggling over not squandering a rare chance a team gets at picking first in the draft.

That is some shitty hindsight you have there.

The thought there there is such a thing as a reach for a quarterback is silly.

Over the last 5-6 years, the bust rate of quarterbacks has been one of the lowest of any position group.

Would you rather have a guy like Eugene Monroe or Glenn Dorsey...or Joe Flacco?

**** the thought process that any other position can help your team more than a quarterback.

This is why I have posted rarely in 11 years. (I say eleven years because somehow my first year of posts was lost) The biggest position of need of the Chiefs in the last 40 years has been QB, albeit Montanna and Greene. Instead, we have marveled at picks as N. Smith, D. Thomas, Carter, Tait, Albert, Berry,, and Bowe...

At what point does the fan base and ownership realize that drafting a QB will make the most sense to move this franchise forward? Yeah, I get it, drafting the most awesome LT, LB, RB is awesome.

Until this franchise drafts and develops a QB, we will have awesome players going to the Probowl, while the rest of their team sits at home watching the games......

It wasn't a slight but I see how you think that, my bad. I was using your grade as the top QB in the draft being rated as 12th overall and how you should wait to take him. My thought is you don't pass on the QB because he is rated 12th, it would be dumb to. If Oakland could do it all over again they would take Big Ben instead of Gallery 10 times out of 10.

Exactly!:)

In that draft he was the best impact player. Jesus, he was a badass.

Yes the very same in which Derrick and Prime was drafted too

Haha

I'd trade Barry Sanders AND Derrick Thomas for Troy Aikman.

Interesting that the article doesn't mention that the Chiefs took a left tackle prospect in both the second and third round of the 2012 NFL Draft.

You would think that taking guys as high as the second and third round for a spot would be an indicator that they would be expected to play sooner rather than later.

If you don't take a guy in the first and that guy doesn't end up being a starter day one, the national media doesn't remember or care about jack shit.

I mean, I've seen mocks where the Chiefs are taking Starlite Lotulelei. WTF? They just took Poe in the first last year and he was the starter at NT for the whole year.

They take Allen and Stephenson in the second and third rounds, respectively, in the 2012 draft and that means that we should take Joeckel in the first in 2013? ****ing morons.

If Troy went to the Lions, he'd just be another failed QB in that organization. They trying hard as **** to destroy Stafford.

If Albert isn't re-signed (which Joeckel has a higher ceiling than Albert so I doubt he will be) then Joeckel should be the pick...it's a LT...it warrants the #1 overall pick.

Just warning the people now that slob over Geno Smith because this will happen. Smith isn't a 1st round pick, no matter how much the ppl here think he is.

Manti Te'o at #1 overall

ouch como. LMAO

that's because they are both garbage and our GM was an idiot and passed a lot of good players and needs elsewhere to take those guys, because he had an ego with a short draft board.

CoMo can teach some things to people like Discuss, Backwards, LAChieffan etc


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Apparently Sorter as well.

Sig and AV bet for a year that Geno goes in the first round.



Come on, Ringo. Do it.

LMAO

Hell, let's make him leave for a year :)

he won't *sucks on cig, coughs up blood, then drinks from flask*

He's a pussy. Ringo has always been weak mentally. LMAO

I'm your huckleberry.

You don't pay attention too well, do you?

Jeff Allen and Don Stephenson were drafted in the second and third rounds of the 2012 NFL Draft.

Both starting left tackles, and good ones, in college.

And you are wanting to embrace redundancy by drafting another tackle high in the draft? That would make three tackles in two years, plus the signing of Winston.

So, you think that drafting Joeckel to give the team five tackles taken high in the draft (including Albert and Winston) is a good idea?

That sounds so good it hurts.

Oh man don't mess with CoMo, Sorter! He knows all about teh foosball!

Dude could have better takes if he passed out on the keyboard....


L:AJGLKAGSLALKGHJJAJjakTEO!!!agahaeoa:::::::::lafah:a

No they are not.

Both were well regarded prospects that had very good college careers and went exactly were the NFL projected them to go in terms of round/picks.

Albert
Winston
Allen
Stephenson

That's four tackles that were taken in Round three or above in the NFL Draft since 2006.

And you think taking another one is a good idea?

That's as smart as taking another DT/NT.

My God, some of you people are just ****ing stupid sometimes.

In one of my classes in college a few years ago, can't remember which one, but we had this lecture where we discussed how vital first impressions are in terms of socialization. Basically, the teacher showed us some results of studies that were performed with intentions of pinpointing how vital first impressions can be or how much of a long-term impact they can have. In a generalized nutshell, the results showed that first impressions are very difficult to change after they are formed. In many cases it can take a very long time for someone's perception of someone or something being changed...especially if the first impression was negative.

If these claims are legit, then Reid and Dorsey are treading dangerous waters in terms of immediate or potentially semi-long term fan approval if they do something ridiculous like select Joeckel. I think we are going QB.

The good news is we can have our cake and eat it to.

Select Joeckel with number one pick and Geno will still be there waiting for us with open arms in the second.

David Carr failed because he has William Bartee syndrome.

He could never turn his head away from his first read.

The O-Line that he played behind, with only one "upgrade" gave up fewer than half the sacks to Shaub in his first year replacing Carr than they did in Carr's final season.

That single upgrade, you ask?

Jordan Black.

You are still a ****ing moron.

Honey badger in the 3rd. Most exciting playmaker in the draft.

0% chance geno is there in round 2

Geno doesnt make it out of the first 3 picks. I will bet all of your moms money on that.

If we don't take him we will be facing him 2x a year

Name the starting Left Tackles for the last 5 winning Super Bowl teams???


Now name the QB's.

The Chiefs have Not won a SB since the last time they had a HOF QB- you think they would be able to figure out why??

QB's win Super Bowls Not Left tackles.

Pioli drafted for depth last year after round 1 because of our team collapsing from injuries the year before.

We needed a swing tackle and Stephenson fit that profile. Allen was a better fit at G and that's why we drafted him.

That's like saying name the last 5 vice presidents and then name the last 5 presidents. Everyone knows the QBs in the league as they are the glamour position.

Gee, I wonder why that is? :hmmm:

Because they run the offense?

His analogy was of naming presidents vs. Vice Presidents.

Of course it's easier to name the Presidents (and QBs incidentally) because they're infinitely more important.

ESPN's Mel Kiper sez KC should select Joeckel.

NFL.com's Gil Brandt sez KC will select Joeckel.

Brandt also sez Oakland will take Geno Smith at #3

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-d...-brandt/155116

I predicted that months ago. We take the tackle, Oakland takes the QB and he owns us for the next 10 years.

You'd have to be a complete moron of a franchise to take a tackle in the situation we're in.

We've proven plenty of times that we are.

with the new wage scale I wouldn't take Willie ****ing Roaf at #1 overall, or any "in the trenches" player.

I either need a Derrick Thomas, a Deion Sanders, an Adrian Peterson, a Calvin Johnson...or a GOD DAMN QB.

Those are the only things I'd take at #1.

if there isn't a ****ing Deion Sanders or Calvin Johnson in this draft I don't want anything besides the best QB available.

to be honest with you...I've watched all of the youtube videos and I just don't see how Geno isn't considered worthy of the #1 pick? He looks like he has it all to me.

How was Sam Bradford such a definite at #1 but Geno isn't?

I don't get it.

How could anyone that's watched the Chiefs since Trent Green left say that a left tackle is more important to the franchise than a QB?

Especially if the best QB in the draft goes two spots later?

Because these stupid ****ers still think that Cassel is a good QB.

I think I would hate taking Luke Jerkoff #1 overall probably as much, if not more than Tyson Jackson.

I'd still give Reid/Dorsey the benefit of the doubt but I would be pissed.

If that's the case, though...we better plan on taking one of the top 3 QB's AND landing Flynn or someone via trade.

Sam Bradford didn't declare the year after Andrew "once in a generation" Luck.

That's the only explanation I can come up with.

I will also add a disclaimer to the above post saying I am not fearing we take a LT right now...I think all of the "experts" are grasping at straws right now anyways.

Horrible example but JaMarcus Russell wasn't the top QB in his class until he started unleashing 100 yard bombs from his knees...

still a long ways to go before Geno doesn't emerge as the clear cut #1

and besides, the NFL doesn't like when teams announce who they take #1 before the draft anyways

see last year's obvious #1 pick Andrew Luck and how he wasn't announced until Goodell called it on draft day

In Gil Brandt's case, that is absolutely true. He said the other day he thinks Cassel has all the tools to be a successful QB in the NFL. It's like the last 4 years never happened.

**** him. He can't die soon enough.

Brandt's right. Accurate passer, check! Pocket presence, check! Ability to make multiple reads, check! Takes personal responsibility for the team, makes people around him better, check! Played in New England, check!

The guy can do it all. Especially play for New England. ROFL

lets just imagine real quick we draft Geno

Andy Reid, John Dorsey, Geno Smith

my God we could go 0-16 and I don't think anyone would be entitled to complain because that's EXACTLY what SOC and this board wanted

With those three, there isn't a chance in hell we'd go 0-16. ;)

as long as we sign Bowe...

Bowe and Charles and our competent line is more than enough to help out a rookie QB.

That's way better shape than Jacksonville was in with dipshit Gabbert or Miami with Tannehill.

I would trade #34 in a second for a Harvin or Maclin.

Has all the tools?

Hahahaha.

Cassel can't read a defense, has a chicken shit arm, and no pocket awareness.

He should have stayed at TE at USC.

Cassel has one of the worst throwing motions I've ever seen...he has to put EVERYTHING into every throw...it used to piss me off like no other.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.

Geno Smith is a better prospect right now than Sam Bradford, IMO. His numbers aren't quite as good, but Bradford had significant talent advantages on his side, especially at the OL spots. Bradford sat in clean pockets almost constantly. In comparison, Geno had to face/avoid/beat a TON of pressure because of his OL.

They both have dazzling accuracy and ball placement, but I think Smith has more raw arm strength (and upside with that arm strength, if he fixes his lower half).

Who thinks that? Name one person, besides Gil Brandt.

I think Oklahoma's offense is ****ing stupid. That hurry up look to the sideline schtick is gay.

All the dipshits that have the Chiefs taking a LT.

Why would they have us taking a LT #1 if they didn't believe the Chiefs had anything of value under center?

There is no other logical explanation to taking a LT #1.

That isn't even logical. They may expect Reid to get a new QB in FA, later in the draft, etc. It does NOT mean they think Cassel is a good QB or that we should keep him.

I pretty much would never draft an OL before the middle of the 2nd round. No joke.

I almost feel the same way about DL after Dorsey, Jackson, Sims and maybe even Poe.

GIVE ME SKILL ****ING PLAYERS WITH FOOTBALL ****ING SKILLS...

you can find 22 lineman off the god damn street!!!

I want pass rushers, DBs, WRs, TEs, RBs and, of course, A GOD DAMN 1ST ROUND QB

our draft this year:

1. BQBA
2. B SKILL PA - RB
3. BPA - RB
3-7: BPA

I would not draft a RB in the first 3 rounds when we have Jamaal Charles. The difference between the RB3 and the RB15 is miniscule. Wait until the 5th to draft a RB this year.

Media narratives.

You realize Youtube videos are basically 'highlights' don't you?

Some folks know you're not looking at the touchdown, but watching the reads, presence, accuracy, arm strength etc. And by some folks I mean everyone else in the world.

You do realize that you can find every play, not just the highlights, on Youtube, right?

And this.

Yet they are still ****ing "HIGHLIGHTS" and feature the best moments of a QB. Usually put to an aggressive upbeat music to get "some folks" to masturbate to a QB who may not be ALL THAT.

Just sayin'.

There are you tube videos of Geno that show every pass attempt of a lot of his games. Not just highlights.

NO?

what?

Frankie grasping at straws.

Incorrect

ROFL

So I'm supposed to believe Peyton's Princess (or any of the rest of you) sat down and broke down ALL of Geno's snaps on Youtube when he totally missed the games he played on TV?

Give me a ****ing break.

For a guy that claims to be a smart, you sure are one dumbass mother****er.

Hootie is making fun of your dumb ass.

I made no such claim. But I don't have to look far.

I have never claimed to be smart.

I have, in fact, called myself dumbass just posting on a football forum.

The one thing I have claimed is that I am not a complete dumbass, while you are.