1. Nobody knows how far this has gone, until it comes from Incognito, Martin, or the Miami Dolphins investigation into the matter it's all just speculation by media outlets trying to get ahold of texts and one sided dramatizations of what really happened.

2. Then handle it in the workplace. I don't need to see this on Sportscenter every twenty minutes like it deserves everyone's attention. A guy was being racist in a locker room.... wow. No way.... you're kidding me. Racism still exists?

IMO Riley Cooper was caught on tape being racist and angry and now everyone has kind of forgotten about it. There are assholes in every locker room. How many teams has Incognito been on? How many instances do they say this is now? Why are we hearing about it now like its a big deal? What after the fifth or sixth time in two years it's okay to now make it seem like a big deal? Martin should man up, Incognito is suspended, so he can come back to his precious workplace environment and play football again. Oh wait, he still hasn't come back. Martin is a drama filled pinata and anyone who hits him with the next stick will cause him to explode. This is a combination of a sensitive man being poked with a stick by a good ole boy dick. I saw it in College all the time, never did I see it on the evening news.

Then professionally file a report then, don't throw a tantrum and storm out on your teammates because one guy called you the N word, then let the media get ahole of the story for a few days, THEN file the report and get the guy suspended. He should've never walked out on his team because of racial slurs. That's bullshit.

obviously it went farther than that, hell it even sounds like some extortion took place.

and im the first guy to say if he had a problem he should have punched incognito in the ****ing face, but am smart enough to understand everyone isn't wired that way.

AND maybe there were other teammates involved.

It's more than racist comments...obviously

Why don't you read what happened before spouting off like an ignoramus? The team was aware of what was going on.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/m...ammates-103113

So, are you saying we have all the facts? I think Richie is 100% guilty, but I don't think we know everything about this situation.

Then why didn't they handle it before it became a media circus? Teams like to let things go if there isn't much hooplah about them, but when the media outlets start paying attention then it's time for action. Did you read my comments or did you feel like spouting off like an ignoramus (great word choice by the way)? Read my post of questions, I can assure you not all the answers are in that report.

PSA Features Richie Incognito Encouraging Fans To Be Civilized
youtube.com/watch?v=vDpVBZmqgls

(dont have ability to post links yet)

Where is it implied Pouncey is on Incognito's side?

Have you read any of the reports? There was simple name-calling, death threats, threats on family members, threats of physical violence, extortion.

And apparently it's not even just reports. Martin has turned over evidence of all of this in text and voice messages to the NFLPA for them to investigate.

right here

quote above looks like that.


it wasn't really pointed at you, **** I don't really know why I quoted your post...

But if this was happening for 1 and a half years why now? If someone threatened my family on the first day of training camp I'm not waiting a year and a half to tell my coaches about it. I'm sorry, I feel for him being bullied but he should've stopped it long ago. If he had the evidence he should've turned it in when it happened.

Pouncy is a buddy of Hernandez and this piece of trash?


Damn, he is a piece of shit by association.

it was obviously still ****ing happening. maybe he was embarrassed, ashamed, scared of what would happen if he told, you know all the feelings that keep the people bullied being bullied...

I dont think Incognito and Pouncey are buds, his "dad" goes off and him and Martin in a post on that message board and calls them both druggies.

that was my point. I knew you weren't saying they were on the same side.

My mistake.

I think the racist comments just kind of crystallized it for a lot of people. It made Martin more of a sympathetic figure.

Carter, on espn, just said, "if an NFL player says 'I'm going to kill you' then you should be scared"....and brought up Hernandez

funny, but also true

I don't know how literally we should be taking those "death threats" and "threats to family members". Do you really think he planned on shitting in Martin's mouth?

I'm convinced that there was some over-the-top hazing or bullying going on here, but I think we need to wait to find out what it really was. A few text messages without context aren't enough to tell the whole story. Just imagine if a few ChiefsPlanet posts about Aids trees or antifreeze were reported in a newspaper out of context.

The fact that they're coworkers makes context a moot point.

Heh, I love it when white guys use the N word to try and be cool. Let's me know who the douche bags are.

Hilarious that they thought he was Kyle Turley

death threats and shit on family members is really crossing the line. I can't seem to think a teammate would be such a dick to do something like that over and over again and treat it like it's fun n games.

most people just handle it themselves...some people can not. I would just do it back to the person that was doing it to me.

Maybe it got "pinned" on him because Martin turned over a vmail with Incognito calling him a niger you dipshit?

Nice use of "idk my BFF Jill" btw, what are you, 11?

:spock: I'm not sure context is ever a moot point.

Seems like several Black Dolphins are taking up for Incognito.

If he was a blazing, racist asshole...it kind of seems like they wouldn't do that.


The Chiefs need a guard........I don't really care if he's an asshole if he blocks better than Allen.

I think the racist thing is overblown. He was just using it as one more weapon.

No thanks on this guy. I didn't want Romanowski and I don't want this guy. They're toxic, terrible people.

Ditto on both.

Pretty much. IMO, extortion is the most serious charge.

Not moot, but is there any way you can see that context can remove this situation from a discussion about whether the NFL is above the law concerning a hostile work environment?

I doubt that it should be removed from any discussion related to this problem, but how it fits into the discussion will be determined to some extent by the context.

That's the first thing I said when I heard about it today.

WELCOME TO CORPORATE AMERICA, Dolphins.

It came across to me that he was using that language to get a rise out of Martin. Either way it looks like Incognito will have to get the NFLPA to get him his job back at this point.

Incognito is a ****ing pussy. He found an easy target on the team and now he's drilling him into the ground. ****in piece of shit. I hope he dies, I wouldn't feel bad.

Careful, one might think you are bullying Richie.

I WANT MY NAME CLEARED NOW!!!
-Richie Incognito-

Bully bait!

I hate this saying. It's craven bullshit. There are two sides to many stories, but there are not two sides to all stories.

Done. Your name is cleared from the roster.

What wait......now the kicker is involved too?

In all the articles and web searches you guys have read/done on this issue, have any of you come across any mention of a wife or girlfriend for Jonathan Martin?

LOL

No. Does it matter? You think he's a homosexual?

A few days ago, I remember seeing some report of Incognito sending Martin an apology text message.

His words seem like complete bullshit now.

Who gives a ****? Does that somehow excuse it? It wasn't the content of the obviously odious message sent from Incognito that we know about, and that message alone is enough to reveal Incognito as a vile shitbag.

Agreed this is beyond the name calling first reported. Doesn't change the facts that Richie is a piece of shit and Martin is a pussy. Today's workplaces could use less pussies and more real talk (no, not the kind of shit RI was saying -he is a shithead that we don't need either).

You don't want Incognito. He's a dirty player and a liability who constantly gets penalized, and he's apparently a locker room cancer on top of that. I'm actually amazed he's managed to stay in the league this long.

This. Frat boy behavior by grown men with the minds of teenagers. And someone hired them for big bucks. Does the Wonderlic test indicate maturity? Obviously not. What type of job would Incognito hold outside of professional football? Maybe as a recreation supervisor at the local Y? Probably not. More likely as the night maintenance man.

I think there's more to the story than these texts and high priced dinners. I have no idea what it is, but I think Martin being gay is a possibility.

If, when you ask if it matters, you mean do I think that would justify mistreatment, the answer is no.

One weird thing about this story is that it's O-line. I always figure those guys must be the tightest group on the team. Probably makes it even more volatile when you have this kind of thing going on because of how closely they have to work together.

He'd be an assistant football coach and substitute health teacher.

Ok.

I don't really want Incognito.....but I don't really want Allen either....and I'd be tickled to see someone better in for Hudson too.

How is Martin a "pussy"? Should he have just taken the racist comments, threats against his family, and extortion and done nothing about it?

If anything, he has brass balls for actually exposing Incognito's vile behavior even though doing so would make him look like a "pussy" and a "snitch" to the good ole' boys club in the NFL.

So then why harp on his sexuality since it's completely irrelevant to the story?

Feel free to fly off half cocked without knowing what's really going on if you'd prefer, but I'm interested in what's really going on in Miami. In other words, I give a ****. If you don't like that, I'm going to drop a bag of dog shit on your front lawn.

right on. There certainly is...but just based off what i've read....it seems unlikely to be anything that would change my mind.

Flying off half-cocked? You're a complete ****ing nutjob, you know that? If he's bullying him for being gay, he's a mother****er. If he's dropping n-bombs on him, he's a mother****er. If he's threatening his family, he's a mother****er.

There is no point to even broach that question except to call into question something about Martin that is immaterial to the story. Does it matter if he's gay? If not, then why bring it up? It's just a chickenshit attempt at victim blaming.

How did you determine that it's completely irrelevant to the story? And what do you mean by "harp"? Do you think being gay is something to be ashamed of and covered up?

Martin obviously has the constitution of an English professor.

And you the constitution of Incognito with the build of Seth Green.

You yourself admitted that whether he's gay or not doesn't change the fact that Incognito's bullying was wrong. In other words, his sexuality is completely immaterial to the story, because the story is about Incognito's actions, which would be equally wrong whether Martin is gay or straight.

Huh? That's a pretty big reach. I was referring to your continued posts about how "he might be gay" as if that would change anything.

So flinging the n word around loosely is unforgivable regardless of the context? Is that what you're saying?

Incognito is a piece of shit human. Enough said...

Shit in your mouth Bob Ross.



Seems Incognito has A LOT in common with Black Jack Savage.........and The Matrix

I think we should stop calling this bullying & hazing. Those are kids games.

This is more correctly allegations of harassment, intimidation, and as previously stated extortion. If there are multiple players involved maybe conspiracy and racketeering.

These are big boy games and serious allegations.

I think we should stop calling this bullying & hazing. Those are kids games.

This is more correctly allegations of harassment, intimidation, and as previously stated extortion. If there are multiple players involved maybe conspiracy and racketeering.

These are big boy games and serious allegations.

You know what context Incognito used it on Martin in.

Maybe it's a code word for gay.

Canadian?

If that's what's motivating his teammates to pick on him, it's completely material to the story.

Yes, half-cocked, as in before you know what's really going on.

We don't really even know for sure that Incognito is the villain and Martin is the saint in this drama. It's highly likely that that's the case, but what if Incognito and his teammates are making Martin's life miserable because of stories about his past involvement in dog fighting or because he told them about his admiration of Osama bin Laden.

And it's only victim blaming if you think being gay is bad. I think you should do some self-examination because I'm not the one drawing that conclusion.

Ninja?

What a load of horseshit that post is.

Perhaps Incognito is keeping Martin from morphing into The Beast by constantly bullying him and that's why he's doing it. Or, perhaps an asshole with a history of being an asshole at Nebraska, Oregon, St. Louis, and now on voicemail in Miami, is just an asshole.

Furthermore, I suggest you look up what a connotation is, because either you're willfully being obtuse and full of shit (which is the likely case) or you have no idea what the connotations are of the words you use and how you structure them.

No. Being gay doesn't justify bullying, but it's completely material and relevant to the story. Why are you so afraid of hearing all the details?

I'm completely convinced that Incognito is a total piece of shit. However, there could be circumstances that would make it less reprehensible.

Martin is notoriously soft mentally. Maybe he lets trash talk into his head during games, so Incognito said that he would harass Martin until he learned to ignore it...kind of like what drill sergeants do.

I think it's worth hearing his side.

Don't you think that in the near week since this story broke that if Incognito, who has access to multiple media outlets at the drop of a hat, had a story like that he would have A) used it and B) his teammates would have backed him up?

Yes, Martin is so "soft" for taking threats of violence against himself and his family seriously. He should have just "toughened up" and allowed Incognito to keep barking racist slurs at him without standing up for himself. :rolleyes:

And he made him pay for a trip to Vegas he wasn't going on to toughen him up?
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