If all of the information that's trickling in is correct, it's obviously his attitude and ego that led the Chiefs to waive him this early.

If he's that uncoachable, he doesn't have a place in the Chiefs locker room.

It's a shame, but it is what it is.

And no, Staylor, I would not draft a receiver under 5'10".

What's Russell Wilson and Drew Brees?

Dude, there are several good ones in the NFL RIGHT NOW. You're talking like it's never been done before, or it's a once in a lifetime, or even generation thing. Just stop.

Yah, I don't need to see Sean Smith getting roasted by Will Fuller or Hopkins.

The draft is an art, not a science. That's as dumb as saying you don't like McCaffrey because he's white. That's a terrible mentality to have.

So you're telling me you could fall in love with the tape of a guy that you think is 5'10", but if you find out he's 5'9" you'll take him off your board completely?

LMAO

Dude....everyone knows that you don't draft white WRs.

Ok gang, Joe Haden trade rumors flying around.

I agree with some of what you said. This whole situation sounds a lot like what we would think of Dee Ford in year 1.

It's most definitely not a good look for Dorsey, but that doesn't mean he's a bad GM.

I think you would agree that if you hit on 2 players a draft, you're doing well. 3 or more is outstanding.
Let's see how this class pans out. If DJ White turns into a player, I won't care about Russell.

You don't pay attention. It is far less likely that a receiver UNDER 5'10" is successful in the NFL than he is successful, and there are very few UNDER 5'10" that have ever been. You are thinking of guys that are 5'10" or above and thinking "hey, they are." Antonio Brown is 5'10", not 5'8". Odell Beckham is 5'11", not 5'8". When I get back from the store, I'll make the list for you.

Sure if you go into the way back time machine tall receivers dominated, but more recent history shows speed and athleticism is redefining the position. Seeing a lot more Randall Cobbs and Desean Jacksons making an impact in the league. Elite speed is trumping height. The guys who have both are pretty rare.

I almost mentioned him. At $11 million/season for the next 3ish seasons, his deal's under market. I just wonder if he didn't plateau a few years ago. I wonder if maybe he's not quite as good as it seemed like he was going to be.

The problem is, even if white pans out, that Russel puck could have been used on someone else that could have made a difference.

It sucks losing that value.

What had we seen from Dee Ford in TC his rookie year that led you to believe he was worthy of a roster spot?

You could insert a ton of players across the league into that question. Some work out, some don't - but they are typically given a legit shot. You don't piss away that draft capital in 4-5 weeks.

I'm trying to think of another Top 75 pick that has been cut by his team in the first week of his rookie season, and I'm struggling.

Personally, the bigger issue to me is what hypocrites most of you are. There are several guys on this roster that showed jack shit their 1st TC, and people here still defend them years later. But we've determined that Russell was garbage after a few practices in shells and a few handfuls of snaps in the preseason.

There HAS to be more to this story - you don't go from tripping over your own dick in a rush to draft a kid in the 3rd round to cutting him before you've ever given him a legit shot - especially at a position with a ton of question marks.

No way is Dorsey making a big move like that.


sorry, not happening

:(

Agree with all points.

We Smith has been outstanding in our defense. If we are looking for a vet to help us win now, why not him. Agree the contract could be difficult.

I'm actually talking about the son, but it works for both. Lol

Link? I believe you but curious nonetheless.

The odds are against wrs under 5'10".

I think that 5'10" to 6'1" area is the sweet spot though.

Yeah but you could say this about every team

That wasn't the question I asked.

1.) Never did I say Dorsey is a bad GM.

2.) White working out doesn't change the fact that someone else could have been acquired with the 74th pick.

Haden's coming off of ankle surgery, was torched by Nelson Agholor this past Sunday and hasn't been a great cover corner since 2014.

If the Chiefs make a move for him, it had better be a low round Conditional Pick with a contract restructure.

Kelce, Gaines, Conley, Nelson, Davis, Russell.

I'd say Dorsey's done a damn good job of finding value in the 3rd. You can't hit on them all.

Yea of course the "odds are against him" statistically speaking.

But do you really believe an inch will be the difference between Hill succeeding or failing?

The guy has a 40 1/2 inch very and can clearly go up and get it. He's got everything else physically.

Why would he go to twitter when he gets reactions like this right here?

Also have to consider where the frustration should go if Ehinger happens to hurt the team this year. Would it be on him as a 4th round pick, or on the team for being a position that they need him this soon. I personally am pretty neutral about him at the moment. My point is simply that we need to recognize that sometimes it's on the player for not filling the hole. Sometimes its on the organization for needing him to fill a hole when he isn't ready(and drafted in a position where that is understandable).

It's still a lost value pick either way.

Shit happens, some guys don't pan out. It's weird to cut them this quick though.

I'm pretty sure that's what kccrow is getting at, so I'm not sure what all the vitriol is about

If Ehinger proves not worthy of the starting role, the Chiefs have Zach Fulton and Jah Reid to fill the gap while Ehinger works to get online.

I'd rather see him on the field early, gaining experience and for the line to maintain continuity, rather than stunt his development by a year.

Growing pains and all.

There's a ton of talent on that list that didn't show shit early, yet we'd never DREAM of them being cut.

This front office went from falling all over themselves to draft this kid, to determining he was a bust in 3 months.

Jesus, Jamaal was a 3rd round pick that was INACTIVE for games.

Everyone's glad we didn't jump the gun early on him, eh?

Listen, I'm not claiming Russell is Cornerback Jesus - but to imply he went from the uber-talented kid they drafted in the Top 75 in May to an unrosterable POS in 3 months is ridiculous. There has to be more to the story, otherwise it's a bad look for Dorsey.

No, he's saying he wouldn't even touch a guy that's 5'9" even if he loves everything else.

That's ****ing reeruned.

Reid didn't even want to talk about, most likely because he didn't want to disparage the guy in front of the press.

“Listen, it happens,” Reid said when asked how difficult it is to move on from such a high pick this soon. “I don’t sweat over it either way. I mean, it happened. We’re going to be OK.”

Of course there's more to the story. We've already heard some of it from Matt Miller. Like I said, you just have to give Dorsey the benefit of the doubt in this situation and move on.

I'm still trying to find a Top 75 pick that was cut a week into his rookie year.

It's not just weird, it flat out doesn't happen unless there are non-football related issues/incidents.

That's not actual yards in the air...

Not a fan.

As I mentioned earlier, I outlined what was likely keeping Russell from performing well in preseason, which included his oversized ego.

Some guys just aren't coachable.

Should Dorsey have known that beforehand? Probably, but a coach like Notre Dame's Brian Kelly isn't going to shit on his players.

One, Matt Miller is a ****ing moron.

But lets take his story as gospel.

Look at the "problem children" this organization has drafted in the last three years and tell me why they get a chance to change and Russell doesn't? I don't believe for a second they cut a kid for running his mouth considering some of the other issues they've ignored regarding kids they've drafted.

Something doesn't add up.

I think Matt Miller was right about this kid being a knucklehead who wouldn't shut up and pissed off the leaders of the team.

I wonder if we purposefully put him with the 4th stringers in the preseason to send him a message that he wasn't the badass he was constantly telling everyone he was? Maybe after all that he didn't stop and it got to a point where guys like Peters went to Andy and said "**** this guy".

You're right though. I think there is something more. Maybe he kept going and a serious altercation happened behind closed doors? Who knows.

Think what you want of Matt Miller, but he has friends in our scouting team. This isn't a matter of opinion. This is what he's hearing.

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Getlin breaks the Russell (and Houston?) news this morning, no longer employed this afternoon.

I can't think of any issues the Chiefs players have had Re ecently?

What the ...?

He can send them all Christmas cards for all I care, but it doesn't change my point.

They've drafted a ton of character guys in the last three years, and they decide to finally cut one because he's cocky?

Show me a young professional skill player that isn't.

If we legit cut a kid because he was mouthy, that's even more reeruned. It's a teachable moment for someone with talent - if NFL team cut every young draft choice who was mouthy/cocky/arrogant there wouldn't be enough players to stock the league.

He's taking about character concerns like Peters and Hill in the draft.

What he doesn't realize is that Peters and Hill have been great teammates from everything we know, while Russell reportedly hasn't.

He's just butthurt.

Didn't the Raiders do it with a safety a few years ago?

Mike Mitchell?

Not sure it was this quick, but it's possible.

And he's gone on to an average career elsewhere, IIRC.

Why are you seeing it so black and white.

Maybe he was just TOO cocky and TOO arrogant. Is it really that hard to believe?

You keep throwing that word around like you know me, or know anything for that matter.

I have no skin in this game. I don't know the kid, I'm not a ND fan.

And if you had two brain cells to rub together, you'd know I could really give two ****s about this team - but this is a damn interesting topic to discuss, so I'm discussing it.

Ohh I'm sorry are you butthurt that I'm using the word butthurt now?

What a bitch.

That may have been who I was thinking but he played 3 years there so it clearly wasn't him.

Tyler Wilson was the 4th round QB they drafted/cut before camp ended, IIRC.

Yeah, I just don't see the rush to cut the kid unless he's just an asshole, but for ****'s sake they have Tyreke Hill on this squad. I'm sorry, I don't care how humble you are - you don't get to make 'character cuts' when you carry that piece of garbage on your roster.

Ok, so if you're referencing Mitchell...

He played for Oakland for 4 years, before signing as a FA with the Panthers. Currently plays for Pittsburgh making $5M per.

EXACTLY.

That's because it's not a "character cut". It's a "culture cut". They don't feel like Russell fits the culture. Was that a mistake in judgement by Dorsey and our scouts? Yea, but let's stop comparing those two guys' situations, because it's apples and oranges.

I'm not sure why letting them hang around for a few unproductive years makes it any better. If you're sure the guy isn't going to work out, what's the point in stunting the development of other guys?

Dorsey stuck with Sanders Commings for three years and Tyler Bray for four years.

The Chiefs stuck with DAT after his bizarre exit from the team last season and they've kept Knile Davis, despite the fact that he's lobbied for a trade.

They also drafted Tyreek Hill, which to this day, is still somewhat surprising.

This leads me to believe that Russell was a gigantic Douche Rocket that had no redeeming value, despite the fact he has the physical talent to play the position.

Personally, I think "mouthy and arrogant" is pretty much a perfect fit for this team, especially the defense.

But please, I'd love to know how "pregnant woman beater" fits ANY culture.

Good Christ, you're starting to make those Alex Smith fanboi 49ers trolls look intelligent.

It's an NFL lockerroom. "Culture Cut" because the dude is cocky? Jesus, they're ALL cocky and they damn well should be. They're pretty much the most physically gifted human beings on the ****ing planet. They've spent years flat out being better than everyone they've played against.

And if your 'team leaders' are drumming the guy out for being froggy, that's a failure of existing team leadership. Then again, I'm not sure how he could've rubbed ol' Eric Berry: Super Leader the wrong way when the ****ing guy couldn't be bothered to show up. Damn shame he wasn't around to talk our rookie down a bit, eh?

If 'leadership' on this team is so sensitive that they feel compelled to complain to management about a rookie's attitude, they should probably go take a look at the trophy case again and check their own goddamn egos. None of these guys have a ring. None of them have a patent on how to conduct yourself.

If the cut him for 'culture' reasons it had better be because they caught him doing lines of coke of Alex Smith's wife's ass. Merely being cocky (when you have Marcus ****ing Peters for crying out loud) isn't grounds to cut a guy loose.

...or the guy just really really sucks to go along with the poor attitude. Humble him.

There's no doubt he sucked in preseason

I'm not arguing about Hill's character concerns, I understand where you're coming from if you say that there are bigger character concerns with Hill than Russell. That's not what I'm saying, so don't put words in my mouth. Hill doesn't have anything to do with this. Bringing him up is just more butthurt bullshit IMO.

What I'm saying is, they obviously don't feel that Russell was a fit with this team and in particular that DB room. They felt so strongly about it they cut him despite being a 3rd round pick.

Does that mean they have to turn around and cut Hill, who's done everything right since being drafted, or something? I don't understand the need to compare the two.

I guess I'm just surprised at all the white knighting for a guy who was pretty much indistinguishable from an UDFA during preseason. It'd be one thing if he looked great, but he looked like a JAG to me.

And it makes me worry that they're getting a little too caught up in their own press clippings.

When you start to think you have all the answers, that's when you start to make decisions like this. This organization hasn't proven to have all the answers just yet.

I refuse to believe that this kid just hid the fact that he was a Keyshawn Johnson level jackass for the entire draft process only to unleash his inner prick on an unsuspecting locker room. It doesn't pass the sniff test. I just think he was your standard froggy kid. Add that with some entitlement from 'vested' leaders and arrogance from management that's not shown itself to be immune to mistakes and you have the recipe for a decision made for the wrong reasons.

It may work out. Hell, it probably will work out - 3rd rounders are lottery tickets and MOST bust. But I don't care for the process here at all.

Oh I get this, now you're joining in on the butthurt because you were originally so unhappy about the trade downs and Hill. That's fine, but I'm just going to call it like it is.

Wouldn't be the first guy that only looked good against future insurance salesmen. At this point he's not goid enough for an NFL team.

This is my hope.

Dorsey went out there and peddled him to every team in the league for a 2018 7th round pick to see if there was any interest. He got no takers and realized he could send the kid a message.

If he threw out trial balloons and got no nibbles, it might lead him to believe that he can actually slip him through to the practice squad to knock him down a peg. If so, I still think it's too clever by half (still a lot of risk there), but it's slightly more defensible.

You'll be calling it the same way you always call it - somewhere from deep within Dorsey's ass.

You've never criticized anything this team has done so of course you won't start now.

Yet I clearly stated I wasn't happy about this.

:rolleyes:

It sucks, but I'm not going to cry about it after I've seen Jones, White, Murray, Hill, Ehinger, and Nicholas all look like they can turn out to be solid picks.

Again, spot on.

If it turns out to be something petty, then I'd agree but it's very difficult to make any kind of determination at this point because we, the fans, don't have any facts.

If it turns out it was something serious with the coaching staff, especially a HOFer like Emmitt Thomas, then releasing him is acceptable.

If the guy isn't claimed or claimed but released again, the indication would be that he's the problem, not the process or the Chiefs.

Again, it's too early but Reid surely sounded like a man ready to move on.

It's only spot on if he's right.

If Russell is gigantic, uncoachable asshole, then the Chiefs made the right decision.

Time will tell.

Regardless, he never earned a roster spot, IMO.

It's obvious he was cut because right now he's an awful football player and he won't listen to the coaches to work on his shortcomings.

If I'm Russell there is no way I am agreeing to a Practice Squad spot with the team that just cut me from my 3rd round pick salary and then is offering me peanuts on the PS. Unless of course they have some agreement to pay him more, but still the Chiefs basically just denied him 3rd round cash why would he stay here.

True

But if that's the case, why the hell would you draft him early?

My sources telling me he didn't want to stand for the national anthem on Sunday, so the Chiefs released.....

There has never been a bigger jackass than Aqib Talib, a guy that was cut from multiple rosters for being a gigantic, uncoachable asshole. He adds being a drunk pothead to the mix.

He's also been a hell of a football player and in the end, production wins out.

Guys will put up with ANYTHING if you produce. And no, Russell didn't produce but they also cut him before he got a chance to prove that he could.

Give him a year as an inactive (or even on the damn IR) and maybe he learns some valuable lessons there. But hey, I'd like to again chalk one up to Eric Berry's supreme leadership skills. If a guy wants to get paid for his intangibles, you'd like to think he could at least convince a 3rd rounder to not talk his way off the team.

All of the outstanding moves Dorsey has made over the years, and he needs to be crucified over this?

Whatever, have at it... guess we need something to talk about

EXACTLY.

As DJ said, this kid didn't just hide being an asshole during the draft process, just to spring it on the locker room come camp.

I can't even begin to describe how pissed I would be if they brought Talib onto this team. So apparently we just have different perspectives.