He wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

Dinny

Our playoff position has not been decided yet. This is a fact. We could be the 5th seed, but we could also be the 2nd and we could be 6th (although less likely). This is the full, non-hyperbolic truth.

It's a fact that they are currently the 5th seed as well and don't control their own destiny.

Jesus.

...especially on his rushing TD's.

Some of you guys really are pussies when it comes to Smith.

LMAO

It's amazing that you think two plays decided two games.

..and any losing play is always and only relegated to the QB.

You guys are total hypocrites. You think Alex will doom/dooms us, while still expecting success.

The fact is we may be better off with the 5th seed than the #2 seed.

:shrug:

I initially thought so, but now, no.

I less game, one home game, wouldn't have to go to new england til afcc.

Yeah, all 2 he averages per year..

boohoohoo

LMAO

One deep pass play to Avery against the Colts, that's it.

How many deep passing plays has Alex Smith made since then that weren't bubble screens with big YAC's?

You still can't answer that question.

Especially when it comes to SB rings.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Edit:

I didn't even go through all the games but found this at minimum in 3 games I looked at and these were labeled at "deep pass" so they weren't YAC plays-

79 yarder
37 yarder
26 yarder
26 yarder
23 yarder
20 yarder
18 yarder

ROFL Did you bother checking to see how many of those passing plays were actual downfield passes vs. bubble screen type plays with all the yardage coming off of YAC?

I'll give you a hint... virtually all of the plays you listed were bubble screens.

Keep trying to defend Bubble Screen Alex Smith. It is funny watching you try and fail.

Can you ****ing read? The plays were descripted as short pass, medium pass, and deep pass. Those were all "deep pass".

****ing moron.

The ****ing Alex apologists make me ROFL every time

They've got an answer for everything and if they don't, well, you're just a "pussy" because you won't accept Smith's mojo-killing style.

It's sad.

I think you are wrong, but even if you were right do you think a long gain on a screen pass is a bad thing? Do you think it somehow doesn't help the team as much as a long pass for the same yardage? Doesn't 30 yards always = 30 yards no matter how you get it?

WTF is wrong with a long gain on a bubble screen? A long gain is a long gain.

Marcellus is right, you are a ****ing moron.

By the way, if we were really getting a lot of long gains from bubble screens people here wouldn't be bitching about bubble screens all the time.

Splatbass. You should work for the chiefs season ticket marketing and retention department.

Lol @ those defending the bubble screen. Andy is the ****ing king of the bubble screen

**** me. Bubbles screens are downfield passing. Jfc only on CP

What is the point in debating reerun, 88, O and thavirus? These guys are constantly wrong about every football topic. No point in arguing with these low-intelligence morons.

I dont care if we are talking about football or whatever the topic may be. If someone/something/some team is ranked 22nd out of 32 in something, they are NOT elite. Period. End of argument.

The Chiefs are currently ranked 22nd in time of possession in the NFL. TWENTY SECOND. That is absolutely NOT elite.

everyone's twisted analysis of "elite" can eat a bag o dicks.

All that matters is being one of the AFC's six teams in the postseason.

Once in.. anything can happen. Maybe Houston can actually be on the field and effective. Maybe (and likely) the Andy offense will keep their foot on the gas a bit more in these do or die games.

We'll see. Just get in. All the other piddly stats can go **** themselves. Save the drama for yo mamas.

The Chiefs need the #2 seed very badly. It's hard enough winning 1 road game against a playoff team, but 3 in a row is too much to ask.

Literally, the guy shows up in 2013 and turns a 2-14 team around. With basically the same roster from the year prior. Jamaal Charles's production skyrocketed with Smith at the helm. You don't get a 5 year starting QB with an excellent winning record because he's being carried by his team. The idiots who glorify fantasy football have poor understanding of the sport.

Tell that to the 11-4 record you mouth-breathing dummy

Being 11-4 has zero to do with my post. You tend to do that a lot Tiger. You respond to my posts with a reply that not only does nothing to refute what I wrote, but doesnt even have an ounce of relevance to it.

Thank you yet again for a useless, irrelevant reply!

Tell me when" time of possession " was even a good indicator of team success.

I'll wait. You moron. ROFL

I've got links to show that you're an absolute dummy for even bringing this up.

Look at this wannabe dumbshit trying to be relevant in the discussion.

ROFL

You've been posting since 2003 and I have yet to encounter a single respectable person on here that has anything good to say about you. Your posts are worthless, find another hobby and save yourself the embarrassment

Dude are you ****ing kidding me? Someone made a claim that we are an ELITE BALL CONTROL TEAM. All I said was when a team is ranked 22nd out of 32 in time of possession, that team is NOT elite at it.

That's all. Period. The only one who is a moron is you...for continuing to misunderstand the conversation that you were not even a part of.

And as far as your first line of this reeruned post, NO ONE said that TOP was a good indicator of team success. No one. But of course, you werent understanding what you were reading...again.

Looks like I hit a nerve with you.

Your fat face is starting to get red under the dunce cap made out of Alex Smith's foreskin that you are wearing.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake

#2 in turnover differential. Refute that you dumbass.

You have no friends. I'm sure Clay will be happy to adopt you as one of his minions.

I cant take your posts man. It would be one thing if you just had a differing opinion. I can handle people who articulate their side of the argument well, even if I dont agree.

Your style of debating is ignoring or misunderstanding the post you want to reply to....and replying with nonsense that has nothing to do with what is being discussed.

Refute that? LOL. Nothing to refute. You posted a stat that once again is irrelevant to the conversation. So again, thank you for that.

I am sure that is a devastating comeback in your Alex Smith Apologist Support Group/Circle Jerk.

Its amazing how that Jets game skews that turnover stats.

Not just the chiefs but anybody does. Winning that extra game is asking a lot.
I want the 2 seed for the fans who go to games. They deserve a home playoff game.

...changed it >< much.

..and I couldn't agree more.

Not really.

Even if the Chiefs had zero turnovers against the Jets, they'd still be tied for 6th most in the NFL.

But, they had 6 and lead the NFL with 31.

I wouldn't be surprised if they pick up a few more against Rivers, who's been a turnover machine lately.

No one, literally no one, said that.

How are they ranked in W/L percentage? Which is more important, TOP or W/L record?

Some people look at stupid ****ing stats in order to denigrate an 11-4 team.

Butt****ing morons, all of them.

If we had a QB like Brees or hell even Derek Carr we'd be sitting at probably 13-2

This.

Unfortunately, people like to use stats when it supports their argument, and then turn around and say that stats are meaningless if they don't like what the numbers say or are clearly spelling out.

He's not debating you. Tigger is the premier Alexcusing Trollbeast of Chiefs Planet. What Clay is to Alex opposition, Tigger is to the pro-Smith Fellowship of Few.
Unfortunately, his dull blade of wit is nowhere near Clay's Hanzo Sword, so the posts have no comic value whatsoever, and generally serve to be nothing more than an ongoing irritant.

They forced 8 turnovers against the Jets. 31 on the year. 16 giveaways. Subtract the 8 from the Jets game from the takeaways and 1 from the giveaways. 23 to 15 ratio. Much more accurate how the year has been. +7 is a much more accurate representation on this season has played out.

This thread still has burst.

How the **** can you just take stats away ?


If we won the four games we lost we would be 15-0 right now!


You can make up anything or take away anything you want the jets were who we played.

Just like the Steelers kicked our ass but take that game away to offset the jets game. We still got our asses kicked by the Steelers and we still kicked the Jets ass that game.


You can't change what has been done jhfc

QB's have long been the gasoline that fuels the CP engine.

This team is 1.5 takeaway to 1 giveaway type team more than a 2 to 1 team that the stats say because of that one game. It's a huge statistical skew is all I'm saying.

It's an opportunistic defense they will take away from lesser teams or quarterbacks. You can't just disregard what this defense is because of one game. The offense however does need to do a better job maintaining ball control but that's not something we shouldn't expect out of them. For the most part they do a fine job.



We play Philip Rivers he takes chances and this defense takes advantage of his hyper active play.

When we get into the playoffs all is out the window and you play for every down every snap matters.

This is literally KCJohnny reincarnated...somehow, he got over his Gunther infatuation, and has now channeled into Alex and Andy.

I knew it...KCJohnny would return...it's only a matter of time before he breaks out the combat veteran and priesthood on us.

So it's KC Johnny?

:spock: We have FOUR years of sample size saying the Chiefs are an ELITE ball control team. The Pitt game is the outlier.

Reerun, did you say pie??

Yep...and he still owes me 100 posts of 'Dick Vermeil is better than Marty'...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=108038

Go ahead TigerUppercut...errr...KCJohnny, post away...you're only like 10 years late.

It's the exact same posting style, I knew I'd figure it out...something about the usage of silly stats that got me to figure it out.

ROFL

For those of us who haven't been here since the early 2000's, tell us more of this "KCJohnny" and his shenanigans, please.

Holy shit dude. :clap:

I'm sorry but this is just silly.

The Chiefs are the best team in the NFL when it comes to takeaways.

You can't prove a negative in this situation.

There is no ****ing way he's KCJohnny.

JFC people, give it a break.

Ignore the guy if you don't like him but for ****'s Sake, shut the **** up about him.

You can't be serious.

If we had Derek Carr we would literally be undefeated and I would comfortably bet my next 5 paychecks that we would smoke anyone in the Super Bowl.



Peej has mentioned it several times so I'm fairly certain he's actually referring to turnover differential- not TOP.


In some ways, yes, and in other ways his production declined. Jamaal has already established himself as an elite back prior to Alex being a Chief.

.. and realistically, the increase in TD production and receiving yards had more to do with Reid and his philosophy than Smith.

Holy shit you are really good at talking out of your ass. Carr plays behind the #1 passing O-line. KC's O-line is barely middle tier in pass protection. The time it takes Derek to decide on throwing the ball would spell disaster in our offense and his decision making is super suspect against good defenses.

Get. A. Damn . Clue.

Our offensive line isn't even bad. Actually, as far as pass protection goes, it's been pretty damned good lately.

:clap:

Very similar styles between Tigger Fistingmyself and KCJohnny, though KCJohnny seems a little less self-righteous than Tigger.

The Chiefs have one of the best pass blocking OL's in football.

They've given up only 3 sacks in their last 4 games and only 28 overall. 6 of those were in Denver and Alex was the cause of a handful overall. Remember Alex running into a sack at Pitt or holding the ball forever on a designed screen in Denver?

Take away that one Denver game and they've given up 22 sacks in 14 games.

That's really ****ing good. Top 5 caliber good. Only a goddamned moron like Blackbob would say they aren't good.

Yeah, they're nearing 20 fewer sacks than last year territory.

And they just played their best game all year on the ol vs denver. Hopefully building for the playoffs.

Because Smith gets rid of the ball faster than any QB in the league. There's a lot of screens and quick slants to get rid of the football. It's MUCH improved from last year but there is still a lot of room for improvement in both run and pass protection

:facepalm:

No, not even close

People always say Alex just wins games. There is truth to that.

However, he got hurt and a QB who has shown to be below average since led that team to a SB.

Since being a Chief he missed 2 games against SD, a little over a half against the Colts, and the Jags. The Chiefs are 3-1 in those games with pretty average QBs filling in. We all know that one loss shouldn't have been a loss. Alex is probably the best option we have, but giving him too much credit is as stupid as giving him to much blame. If there is a better option available in the off-season you upgrade like you would any other position.

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ROFL

And the colts/jags/chargers were all irrelevant in those respective seasons. Fact.

Carr has one of the fastest releases in the league- Do you watch any other games besides the Chiefs?

ROFL

Yeah, his release is the stuff of legend.

Math isn't your friend.

First off you cant assume zero takeaways in the Jets game but lets take it back to 2 because that's probably the Jets average.

That would reduce our turnover rate by less than .5 per game.

Its not a "huge" turn.

This is where Alex has been odd this season and I assume its because he is getting rid of the ball so fast.

I just hope we can start clicking like we have seen in spurts because we do need more offense in the post season to keep up with the likes of Pitt and NE.