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ARROW2 01-18-2017 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio (Post 12695451)
Since that play was a 2-point conversion to tie the game with less than 3 minutes to play, it is clear that the call was not like a penalty called or not called on any other play.

Harrison was completely gassed at the end of the game. He had a chance to tackle Spencer Ware on the TD and he was stuck in the mud and never threatened to tackle Ware.

The NFL now allows OL and DBs to use their hands a lot more than they used to. When I watch the replay, I see that James Harrison never got leverage and he fell to the ground when his foot slid on the ground. Harrison may even have took a dive.

It should not have been called a penalty. All this conspiracy stuff seems silly, I think you just have a referee who called a penalty because he was duped by Harrison or he could not tell that Harrison fell because he lost traction.

I would like to know if the umpire also threw a flag. I suppose he was situated on that side of the line. I thought the umpire looked for holding and the referee looked to protect the QB.

I think the NFL is going to have a flopping problem, because they are creating a situation where the honest competitor on defense is going to get his jersey grabbed and no penalty will ever be called as long as he tries his best to fight off the block, but the artful DL can fall as if they were tackled and a penalty can be called.

I would have liked to see how the game would have turned out if Carl Cheffers would have made the call in accordance with the current NFL official training. You can bet that there is nothing in their training that says holding is to be called when a pass rusher falls because his feet lose traction and slide. OL are allowed to use an arm bar across the chest on an outside pass rusher.

Anyway, it was kind of rotten to make that call when the Steelers OL spent the game with the two hands up in the air post-block "I am innocent" pose, that is an admission that jersey was grabbed.

I wish the Chiefs would have made a stop on third and 3 at the 2 minute warning. And there were other plays that affected the outcome that were good plays by the Steelers and bad plays by the Chiefs.

But objectively speaking, it was a bad call. James Harrison knows he would not have complained if it had not been called, and Carl Cheffers would probably admit that he would not have called it if he saw Harrison's foot lose traction.

It could have been an all-time great NFL playoff game if it was 18-18 with Chiefs kicking off to Steelers at 2:39.


If this had happened to Pitt, it would have been the topic of discussion ALL DAMN DAY on BSPN. **** WILBON, HE would have been whining about it. **** THAT ASSHOLE. Talking about he now hates the Chiefs because Kelce was taking up for Fisher on the play and Andy Reid said something. **** THEM ALL!!! It you never say something, it is going to keep happening. **** a fine. They got the money. Somebody on here please tell me with a straight face that this call is made in Pitt, NE or GB after Ben, Brady or Rodgers just tied the game up. I ****ING DARE YOU TO SAY YES!!!!!!


If you can't honestly say YES then SHUT THE **** UP!!!


And I do feel robbed as a fan of a classic ending to a divisional playoff game. That was BULLSHT. I don't want a playoff game decided by the mutha****in zebras. UNTIL WE GET A QB THAT THE LEAGUE SLOBBERS OVER, WE AIN'T WINNING SHIT. Michael Irvin was told by his employers that he CAN'T pick the Chiefs to go to SB? WTF?!!!!!

ARROW2 01-18-2017 05:19 PM

And Yes, we DO need to move on from Alex Smith!!!! He left so many points on the board it makes me want to punch something but even still, we tied the game up and the refs took it away. **** THIS LEAGUE!!!

ARROW2 01-18-2017 05:20 PM

I hope the Patriots win the whole ****ing thing now......**** it!

GloryDayz 01-18-2017 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Opoponax (Post 12695613)
Then how does that explain Oakland being the most penalized team in NFL history? It doesn't matter whether they've been great or awful. Every year they're called for more flags than their opponents regardless of personnel or coaching.

But the Chiefs get flagged on a blatant hold and all of a sudden it's bad call and the NFL is out to get the Chiefs.

F'ing please.

Oakland was 2-14 and one of the most penalized in the league. When they went to the Super Bowl they were one of the most penalized teams in the league.

Dallas, who's an undisputed media darling got a questionable call in their close loss to Green Bay.

It happens. This wasn't a Tuck Rule pulled out of the ass of some jack off upstairs after the play had already been ruled on.

Only Chief fans are crapping themselves about this, trying to justify another playoff loss after a solid regular season.

A mediocre quarterback, mediocre wide receivers, inability to control the clock, and the inability to score on your home turf after a bye week is why the Chiefs lost.

Get ovah it!!!

Clearly it was a hold! And not just a little hold like these! :rolleyes:

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Opoponax 01-18-2017 06:45 PM

I saw all the pictures. And you know what?

Tough shit.

Since I've pointed all the actual reasons the Chiefs lost, here's one more. When the defense absolutely had to stop Pittsburgh. When the season rode on getting a three and out; with two+ minutes on the clock, what happened?

They gave it up.

Sure, they kept them out of the end zone all night, but they were on the field for long stretches, and when the Chief defense needed to step up; when the season was on the line, they folded like like cheap beach chairs.

This game was a team loss. It wasn't on the refs for calling a legitimate hold, or on blowing some other calls they should have made. KC choked dick. And that includes Andy "I have the best record after the bye in the history of the universe" Reid.

Pittsburgh found a way to win the game; Kansas City didn't.

GloryDayz 01-18-2017 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Opoponax (Post 12695679)
I saw all the pictures. And you know what?

Tough shit.

Since I've pointed all the actual reasons the Chiefs lost, here's one more. When the defense absolutely had to stop Pittsburgh. When the season rode on getting a three and out; with two+ minutes on the clock, what happened?

They gave it up.

Sure, they kept them out of the end zone all night, but they were on the field for long stretches, and when the Chief defense needed to step up; when the season was on the line, they folded like like cheap beach chairs.

This game was a team loss. It wasn't on the refs for calling a legitimate hold, or on blowing some other calls they should have made. KC choked dick. And that includes Andy "I have the best record after the bye in the history of the universe" Reid.

Pittsburgh found a way to win the game; Kansas City didn't.

Hunt thanks you for your loyalty.

notorious 01-18-2017 07:04 PM

In close games like this where both teams choke away chances, a call like that was catastrophic.


Example: Call is not made, Chiefs tie the game and create a turnover (which has happened several times this year) to win the game.

Steelers are chastised EXACTLY like the Chiefs for choking away the game. Everyone is talking about how you can never count the Chiefs out.


Do you see how this works?

The official changed EVERYTHING by making a call that hadn't been made ALL ****ING NIGHT. Oh, but the Chiefs had their chances....SO DID THE STEELERS. THEY ****ING CHOKED ALL NIGHT TOO.

TribalElder 01-18-2017 07:21 PM

Steelers never scored a TD

Baby Lee 01-18-2017 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 12695709)
Steelers never scored a TD

Q

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12695692)
STEELERS . . . ****ING CHOKED ALL NIGHT TOO.


NewChief 01-18-2017 07:32 PM

Just as an FYI: The White Hat who made that call is being put on the crew for the Super Bowl. So despite Kelce's claim that he's not qualified to don the uniform at Foot Locker, evidently he's qualified enough from the league's perspective to be at the Super Bowl.

R8RFAN 01-18-2017 07:46 PM

Refs finally do their job

notorious 01-18-2017 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by R8RFAN (Post 12695731)
Refs finally do their job

LMAO

Chief Northman 01-18-2017 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by R8RFAN (Post 12695731)
Refs finally do their job

Crawl back into your hole Connor Cook.

GloryDayz 01-18-2017 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 12695722)
Just as an FYI: The White Hat who made that call is being put on the crew for the Super Bowl. So despite Kelce's claim that he's not qualified to don the uniform at Foot Locker, evidently he's qualified enough from the league's perspective to be at the Super Bowl.

Q

A real company man that Cuffer!

TimBone 01-18-2017 08:20 PM

**** the Chiefs and the refs.

ARROW2 01-18-2017 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Opoponax (Post 12695679)
I saw all the pictures. And you know what?

Tough shit.

Since I've pointed all the actual reasons the Chiefs lost, here's one more. When the defense absolutely had to stop Pittsburgh. When the season rode on getting a three and out; with two+ minutes on the clock, what happened?





They gave it up.

Sure, they kept them out of the end zone all night, but they were on the field for long stretches, and when the Chief defense needed to step up; when the season was on the line, they folded like like cheap beach chairs.

This game was a team loss. It wasn't on the refs for calling a legitimate hold, or on blowing some other calls they should have made. KC choked dick. And that includes Andy "I have the best record after the bye in the history of the universe" Reid.

Pittsburgh found a way to win the game; Kansas City didn't.




**** you. Getting points taken off the board is not choking. Hope it hapoens to your team and then I want to hear what you have to say. KC has a history of getting butt ****ed on bogus holding calls in the playoffs, complete with apology letters so **** off. Again, is that called in Pitt?

ARROW2 01-18-2017 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ARROW2 (Post 12695617)
If this had happened to Pitt, it would have been the topic of discussion ALL DAMN DAY on BSPN. **** WILBON, HE would have been whining about it. **** THAT ASSHOLE. Talking about he now hates the Chiefs because Kelce was taking up for Fisher on the play and Andy Reid said something. **** THEM ALL!!! It you never say something, it is going to keep happening. **** a fine. They got the money. Somebody on here please tell me with a straight face that this call is made in Pitt, NE or GB after Ben, Brady or Rodgers just tied the game up. I ****ING DARE YOU TO SAY YES!!!!!!


If you can't honestly say YES then SHUT THE **** UP!!!


And I do feel robbed as a fan of a classic ending to a divisional playoff game. That was BULLSHT. I don't want a playoff game decided by the mutha****in zebras. UNTIL WE GET A QB THAT THE LEAGUE SLOBBERS OVER, WE AIN'T WINNING SHIT. Michael Irvin was told by his employers that he CAN'T pick the Chiefs to go to SB? WTF?!!!!!


Still waiting for somebody to answer my ****ing question in bold

SAUTO 01-18-2017 11:36 PM

What about Michael Irvin? Link?

suzzer99 01-19-2017 01:00 AM

My ex is a die-hard Steelers fan. Saw her tonight and of course she had to gloat some. Just super.

New World Order 01-19-2017 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by R8RFAN (Post 12695731)
Refs finally do their job


LMAO

BlackOp 01-19-2017 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Opoponax (Post 12694824)
If that conspiracy had any truth to it, then wouldn't the refs have helped Dallas win last Sunday?

There is no greater NFL media darling than Dallas, yet the refs threw a drive stalling flag on them that may have been the difference in that game.

If you think average fans recognize Prescott over Rodgers...well.

Follow the pizza sales...who will make a more profitable match-up? Rodgers vs. Brady (on his scripted revenge tour) or a pair of rookies?

Bet your house on Green Bay this week-end. Matt Ryan isn't marketable...Atlanta is going to get the "Chiefs treatment" this week-end. Shit, Atlanta got that treatment AGAINST KC...NFL was trying to prop up Winston for divisional ratings down the stretch. The KC/Steelers game was called similarly to the Tampa game...no holds. That really negates a pass rush/home field advantage....

Arthur Blank (Falcons owner) is on record saying "I hope they let us win a SB someday"...when he was pressed to later clarify what he meant...he backpedaled and said "Oh, I meant the football gods"...yeah right. Maybe the "football gods" the reside in Vegas....

RobBlake 01-19-2017 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12696072)
If you think average fans recognize Prescott over Rodgers...well.

Follow the pizza sales...who will make a more profitable match-up? Rodgers vs. Brady (on his scripted revenge tour) or a pair of rookies?

Bet your house on Green Bay this week-end. Matt Ryan isn't marketable...Atlanta is going to get the "Chiefs treatment" this week-end. Shit, Atlanta got that treatment AGAINST KC...NFL was trying to prop up Winston for divisional ratings down the stretch. The KC/Steelers game was called similarly to the Tampa game...no holds. That really negates a pass rush/home field advantage....

Arthur Blank (Falcons owner) is on record saying "I hope they let us win a SB someday"...when he was pressed to later clarify what he meant...he backpedaled and said "Oh, I meant the football gods"...yeah right. Maybe the "football gods" the reside in Vegas....

first.. regardless who is in the Superbowl... the nfl is posed to make billions. The NFL rather have uprising stars to replace Brady as the main story line. There is favoritism due to human nature.. hard to think of a hard line of plotted out favoritism without sounding like a crazy ass. The Chiefs had their chances to supplant the Steelers. If Alex was paid off.. then that would make sense.

BlackOp 01-19-2017 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RobBlake (Post 12696073)
first.. regardless who is in the Superbowl... the nfl is posed to make billions. The NFL rather have uprising stars to replace Brady as the main story line. There is favoritism due to human nature.. hard to think of a hard line of plotted out favoritism without sounding like a crazy ass. The Chiefs had their chances to supplant the Steelers. If Alex was paid off.. then that would make sense.

You're wrong... Goodell's job is to extract cash and ratings. It is the bulk of the money the NFL makes. You really think the story in Dallas is more intriguing than a match-up of the two best QBs in the NFL...one that is disgruntled and nearing the end of his career?? Rodgers vs. Brady is the play. Dallas may get their shot down the road...ratings took a hit this year, they need to prop them up.

This is about profit and product growth...not fair competition.

RobBlake 01-19-2017 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12696075)
You're wrong... Goodel's job is to extract cash and ratings. It is the bulk of the money the NFL makes. You really think the story in Dallas is more intriguing than a match-up of the two best QBs in the NFL...one that is disgruntled and nearing the end of his career?? Rodgers vs. Brady is the play. Dallas may get their shot down the road...ratings took a hit this year, they need to prop them up.

This is about profit and product growth...not fair competition.

so, why was carolina in the superbowl?

BlackOp 01-19-2017 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RobBlake (Post 12696086)
so, why was carolina in the superbowl?

I have my theories..but will keep them to myself. Why did he fall off the cliff this year?

The battle of the Harbaugh Brothers was one of the lowest rated SBs in recent memory....why? No Brady or Manning... Goodell learned a lot from that one. Even cut power for 30 minutes of extra advertising revenue....are people really dense enough to think that just "happened". Do they realize how much money, adding 30 minutes to the most watched TV show of year, adds?

Society's blind trust in the sociopaths that govern (exploits) them..never ceases to amaze me.

cyborgtable 01-19-2017 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12689023)
It was a hold.
Posted via Mobile Device

It really wasn't, the rules state that if the defender does a rip move your arm naturally goes there so it isn't a hold.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment...nique_negates/

GloryDayz 01-19-2017 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 12696053)
My ex is a die-hard Steelers fan. Saw her tonight and of course she had to gloat some. Just super.

Shit happens I guess....

GloryDayz 01-19-2017 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cyborgtable (Post 12696105)
It really wasn't, the rules state that if the defender does a rip move your arm naturally goes there so it isn't a hold.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment...nique_negates/

Interesting. So THAT'S the out they had to **** Hali all those years! Only the Chiefs rip!

Those ass-****ers!

kepp 01-19-2017 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 12696053)
My ex is a die-hard Steelers fan. Saw her tonight and of course she had to gloat some. Just super.

A little PIIHB would fix that gloating.

Rain Man 01-19-2017 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 12696053)
My ex is a die-hard Steelers fan. Saw her tonight and of course she had to gloat some. Just super.

Did you tell her that maybe you'd probably still be married if she had only held you as often the Steelers offensive line held the Chiefs?

suzzer99 01-19-2017 01:48 PM

lol

ARROW2 01-19-2017 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12695994)
What about Michael Irvin? Link?



heard the interview on either 610 AM or 810 AM

ARROW2 01-19-2017 01:56 PM

Somebody on here please tell me with a straight face that this call is made in Pitt, NE or GB after Ben, Brady or Rodgers just tied the game up. I ****ING DARE YOU TO SAY YES!!!!!!


If you can't honestly say YES then SHUT THE **** UP
!!!



Still no answer to my question from the "don't blame the refs crowd" your silence is deafening. I will answer it for you, HELL ****ING NO!!!!! Your silence tells me all I need to know because I said if you can't answer "Yes" then shut the **** up.

BlackOp 01-19-2017 02:00 PM

If you check out NFL.com...there are like 8 pictures of Rodgers on the front page...including being positioned against Brady on the SB advert.

The were nice enough to have one small picture of Ryan....

ARROW2 01-19-2017 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12696838)
If you check out NFL.com...there are like 8 pictures of Rodgers on the front page...including being positioned against Brady on the SB advert.

The were nice enough to have one small picture of Ryan....



Ray Charles can see this BS being set up from the grave

Dartgod 01-19-2017 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ARROW2 (Post 12696842)
Ray Charles can see this BS being set up from the grave

RAY CHARLES IS DEAD?!?

Baby Lee 01-19-2017 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12696838)
If you check out NFL.com...there are like 8 pictures of Rodgers on the front page...including being positioned against Brady on the SB advert.

The were nice enough to have one small picture of Ryan....

Not bad for a fired Bills HC.

Rain Man 01-19-2017 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12696838)
If you check out NFL.com...there are like 8 pictures of Rodgers on the front page...including being positioned against Brady on the SB advert.

The were nice enough to have one small picture of Ryan....

At some point I'm going to do a study of the coverage and shows on NFL Network. I can understand spending more time covering the teams that have won more, so that wouldn't be my thesis question. My hypothesis is that they cover some teams disproportionately to their record.

For example, they had a nice series a while back that was their lists of the top ten Cowboy, top ten Raiders, etc. I thought it would be nice to see the top ten on each team in their opinion. But they only did it for a handful of teams and then stopped. Looking at the list, they covered the Cowboys, Raiders, Steelers, Packers, 49ers, and Giants. Oh, and Patriots. I missed that one in my scan.

They've done 129 episodes of "Top Ten", and in that time they've covered six teams. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Top_10 Seriously? You've done a list of the top ten players named Steve and the top ten draft-day moments and the top ten things you loved about Tim Tebow, and you haven't thought to do the top ten players for 25 of the league's 32 teams? Really?

InChiefsHeaven 01-19-2017 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12695747)
Crawl back into your Connor Cook hole.

FYP

TimBone 01-19-2017 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12696881)
Not bad for a fired Bills HC.

Lmao

TimBone 01-19-2017 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12696932)
At some point I'm going to do a study of the coverage and shows on NFL Network. I can understand spending more time covering the teams that have won more, so that wouldn't be my thesis question. My hypothesis is that they cover some teams disproportionately to their record.

For example, they had a nice series a while back that was their lists of the top ten Cowboy, top ten Raiders, etc. I thought it would be nice to see the top ten on each team in their opinion. But they only did it for a handful of teams and then stopped. Looking at the list, they covered the Cowboys, Raiders, Steelers, Packers, 49ers, and Giants. Oh, and Patriots. I missed that one in my scan.

They've done 129 episodes of "Top Ten", and in that time they've covered six teams. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Top_10 Seriously? You've done a list of the top ten players named Steve and the top ten draft-day moments and the top ten things you loved about Tim Tebow, and you haven't thought to do the top ten players for 25 of the league's 32 teams? Really?

Not to mention, when they did the Top 10 TE's, they had Tony G listed somewhere around 6 or 7, I believe.

Rain Man 01-19-2017 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 12697079)
Not to mention, when they did the Top 10 TE's, they had Tony G listed somewhere around 6 or 7, I believe.

That better not be true.

KC Dan 01-19-2017 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 12697079)
Not to mention, when they did the Top 10 TE's, they had Tony G listed somewhere around 6 or 7, I believe.

Nah, Tony G was #2, John Mackie was #1

TimBone 01-19-2017 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Dan (Post 12697174)
Nah, Tony G was #2, John Mackie was #1

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12697167)
That better not be true.

Yeah....once again, I'm full of shit. My bad. I'm really on a roll today.

KC Dan 01-19-2017 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 12697181)
Yeah....once again, I'm full of shit. My bad. I'm really on a roll today.

My prescription: Start drinking heavily. It will cure what ails you...

SAUTO 01-19-2017 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ARROW2 (Post 12696823)
heard the interview on either 610 AM or 810 AM

I can't find that quote anywhere, prove it

BlackOp 01-20-2017 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 12694867)
It's like the conspiracy nuts don't even consider the feasibility of it at all.

The one critical flaw in your line of thought...is you project your own morality on a group of tight-knit billionaire businessmen. They painstakingly vet potential owners...why? They dont want someone rocking the cash-cow. You are actually arrogant/narcissistic enough to believe they think like you...they dont...at all. You are the demographic they target...they profit of your naivety/trust.

Owners are merely one of 32 tentacle arms..that connect to a mother-hub profit center. The ones that appear to care...is simply because it's their hobby and offers a bit of limelight. Hunt wasn't heart-broken over making a quarter of a billion dollars this year.

NFL has eroded into fodder for the plebeians...just like in ancient Rome. It gave the disgruntled an avenue/outlet for their hostility.... redirected from being exploited by their government. It's the modern-day coliseum...a satiation/diversion for the masses.

crazycoffey 01-20-2017 05:38 AM

It was a BS call. I remembered a non call hold on ford, iirc, when bell was sweeping to him just a bit earlier in the game. They call that hold, I'm ok with calling the EF hold. If one is, they both are.

GloryDayz 01-20-2017 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12697953)
The one critical flaw in your line of thought...is you project your own morality on a group of tight-knit billionaire businessmen. They painstakingly vet potential owners...why? They dont want someone rocking the cash-cow. You are actually arrogant/narcissistic enough to believe they think like you...they dont...at all. You are the demographic they target...they profit of your naivety/trust.

Owners are merely one of 32 tentacle arms..that connect to a mother-hub profit center. The ones that appear to care...is simply because it's their hobby and offers a bit of limelight. Hunt wasn't heart-broken over making a quarter of a billion dollars this year.

NFL has eroded into fodder for the plebeians...just like in ancient Rome. It gave the disgruntled an avenue/outlet for their hostility.... redirected from being exploited by their government. It's the modern-day coliseum...a satiation/diversion for the masses.

Wow, well said.

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GloryDayz 01-20-2017 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey (Post 12698006)
It was a BS call. I remembered a non call hold on ford, iirc, when bell was sweeping to him just a bit earlier in the game. They call that hold, I'm ok with calling the EF hold. If one is, they both are.

The refs are only human, they can't see everything. Sometimes they "let them play." Bla bla bla...

Edit: Perhaps Harrison "got the call" because he lobbied it? We may never know why, the NFL would never be forthcoming about hoe they choose their selectivity. However, if our D is the least bit pissed about it, starting week-1 of next year every hold they think was missed should result in a Brady-like rant to the official. Do it 15-20 per game, make a scene that the tv cameras won't miss, and they might drive a conversation the 32 tentacles weren't counting on. Perhaps they can end each rant with holding up their fingers in Fisher's jersey number, just so they get the point. And you can't do it just once, you have to so it enough to drive-home the point and drive the conversation. And if they start ****ing the team for it, we'll, that's the same as it ever was, now there's just a new reason.

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Fish 01-20-2017 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12697953)
The one critical flaw in your line of thought...is you project your own morality on a group of tight-knit billionaire businessmen. They painstakingly vet potential owners...why? They dont want someone rocking the cash-cow. You are actually arrogant/narcissistic enough to believe they think like you...they dont...at all. You are the demographic they target...they profit of your naivety/trust.

Owners are merely one of 32 tentacle arms..that connect to a mother-hub profit center. The ones that appear to care...is simply because it's their hobby and offers a bit of limelight. Hunt wasn't heart-broken over making a quarter of a billion dollars this year.

NFL has eroded into fodder for the plebeians...just like in ancient Rome. It gave the disgruntled an avenue/outlet for their hostility.... redirected from being exploited by their government. It's the modern-day coliseum...a satiation/diversion for the masses.

I project my own morality on the group of owners? What the **** are you talking about? That doesn't even make sense. I'm not applying any morals when considering the possibility of a league wide conspiracy. Of course they painstakingly vet new owners. Why on earth wouldn't they? They're 32 billionaires in a profit sharing group. There's thousands of reasons why they would vet new owners, which don't involve any morality. Legit simple business reasons that are employed in other profit sharing organizations. That makes infinitely more sense than some elaborate conspiracy. Again, you're getting locked onto one of the craziest and most unreasonable explanations to your question, and ignoring any other possible explanation. You are the one convinced you've got the answer, when I'm saying there's many different explanations and the best ones don't involve any type of conspiracy at all. You can't even acknowledge that as a possibility. Until you can overcome that simple obvious flaw in your analysis, you'll remain another confirmation bias nutcase.

You imply that Hunt was in on this NFL fix, and just didn't care and allowed an "Obvious fix" to happen to his team? LOLWUT? So there's a giant conspiracy involving 32 teams, and the majority of the teams just accept getting screwed over and letting the predetermined teams win? And that sounds like the most likely explanation to you? How can you not see the flaw in your thinking there? Why would you not even consider an alternative explanation that is much more likely? You know... like Occam's Razor says you should. The fact you don't give that any consideration should be a direct indicator that you've got serious confirmation bias.

The NFL doesn't profit off of me. They haven't for some time. I don't trust them at all. I understand they are greedy cut-throat rich dudes who would do almost anything for more money. So the pre-determined box you're attempting to put me in doesn't apply. Yet I also understand what's actually feasible, and acknowledge that the NFL can make a bajillion dollars without any need for any dumb conspiracy that wouldn't be possible anyway. But go ahead and tell us all how none of us actually has it figured out, but you do, and that you're the only one who can see the pattern of this impossibly complex conspiracy which there's no actual evidence for. Tell me again how you're the open minded one....

cwhocares 01-20-2017 10:19 AM

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The one critical flaw in your line of thought...is you project your own morality on a group of tight-knit billionaire businessmen. They painstakingly vet potential owners...why? They dont want someone rocking the cash-cow. You are actually arrogant/narcissistic enough to believe they think like you...they dont...at all. You are the demographic they target...they profit of your naivety/trust.

Owners are merely one of 32 tentacle arms..that connect to a mother-hub profit center. The ones that appear to care...is simply because it's their hobby and offers a bit of limelight. Hunt wasn't heart-broken over making a quarter of a billion dollars this year.

NFL has eroded into fodder for the plebeians...just like in ancient Rome. It gave the disgruntled an avenue/outlet for their hostility.... redirected from being exploited by their government. It's the modern-day coliseum...a satiation/diversion for the masses.

And you have been a season ticket holder how long?????

Demonpenz 01-20-2017 10:32 AM

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Nickhead 01-20-2017 05:14 PM

if your 'heirs' didn't originate from the original 13 colonies, you are by default a slave to the system. :D

Pasta Little Brioni 01-20-2017 10:28 PM

Add Carr to your list you New Zealender

Nickhead 01-20-2017 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 12699880)
Add Carr to your list you New Zealender

he hasn't won a superbowl, and i am not in new zealand. in australia, mayte! to boot, originally from KANSAS :D

Pasta Little Brioni 01-20-2017 10:37 PM

Neither have a few other guys on that list

Nickhead 01-20-2017 10:43 PM

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Neither have a few other guys on that list

sorry, i worded that wrong. i meant to say 'been' to a superbowl. :toast:

EyePod 01-20-2017 11:03 PM

I'm not going to read through all of this but the call wasnt wrong. But if it were the Packers... It wouldn't have been called. But we aren't the Packers so that's our fault. Damn SB 1...

TribalElder 01-21-2017 02:26 AM

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Rasputin 01-21-2017 08:02 AM

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Media: Eric...what makes you successful at being underwhelming?

What a shitty draft to get our 1/1 draft pick to be Eric Fisher how was he the best there was to be offered?

He at least had that good game to put JJ Watt to shame but he is no bull dog he may not have given up much sacks but for 1/1 draft pick I would want a Willie Roaf esk LT


Maybe I'm greedy and want better but uhg.

scho63 01-21-2017 08:28 AM

This thread needs to die a sudden death, just like our season.

GloryDayz 01-21-2017 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 12700202)
This thread needs to die a sudden death, just like our season.

I don't agree, not being outraged enough is at least part of why Hunt feels no pressure. And we'll probably have to fuel the plane (again) before this situation is fixed too.

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Anyong Bluth 01-21-2017 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 12700207)
I don't agree, not being outraged enough is at least part of why Hunt feels no pressure. And we'll probably have to fuel the plane (again) before this situation is fixed too.

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2nded.


Since it's been all but confirmed that in the past writers / various other types of media personalities have lifted topics, arguments, viewpoints, theories, etc off CP, and seemingly adopted them for their own takes, why not keep it going?

Maybe they'll decide to lift the information and raise it in the media?

Granted, the game in question may be dead and buried as far as the NFL, media, and fans around the country are concerned, but there's still 3 games remaining this season. Not to mention next season.

Obviously, I am primarily concerned with the Chiefs, but enough people around here watch multiple games on a weekly basis. Home DVR, YouTube, All 22 and the rest gives anyone ample access to document shady calls or instances where the officiating is unevenly applied for or against one team or the other.

I'd kinda like to see a repository of outright terrible officiating because I think it would make the problem a lot more crystal clear as well as illuminate the bias that exists for certain teams favored by the NFL.

Those not interested and which this thread would die. Simple solution : stop ****ing clicking on the topic and reading the new posts.

NJChiefsFan 01-21-2017 06:09 PM

Have we gone through the game and looked for chiefs holding Steelers? Would be right in the interest of finding a real bias in the game. I personally couldn't stomach that right now.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-21-2017 09:18 PM

No because the refs were all over those

13and3 01-22-2017 12:13 PM

Its never on the refs. Sheepeople of the world are easily led. Doesn't matter we have seen the Chiefs constantly get jobbed for the better part of 40 years. Nothing to see here, move on people. Its all purely coincidence. We have changed general managers, coaches, players, original owner has died, only constant is the fan base. Maybe its us holding the franchise back? But the refs, the nfls hench men, which no one ever seems to know personally, who dont exist on social media, who completely disappear outside of the 60 minutes, and 100 yard by 30 yard rectangle are beyond reproach.

GloryDayz 01-22-2017 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 13and3 (Post 12702194)
Its never on the refs. Sheepeople of the world are easily led. Doesn't matter we have seen the Chiefs constantly get jobbed for the better part of 40 years. Nothing to see here, move on people. Its all purely coincidence. We have changed general managers, coaches, players, original owner has died, only constant is the fan base. Maybe its us holding the franchise back? But the refs, the nfls hench men, which no one ever seems to know personally, who dont exist on social media, who completely disappear outside of the 60 minutes, and 100 yard by 30 yard rectangle are beyond reproach.

I'd argue that the loyal fans and the Hunt family are the two constants. And the Hunt family is is half of the feanchise/fan marriage who has let down the other. They are a family of cowards who clearly appear to be happy with the massive profits and staying silent as the family is raped.

It's easy for them to claim otherwise, but I have yet to read a thing to suggest Clark got angry in any way shape, shape, or form after seeing what was, and wasn't, called.

He's a good little bitch of the league. But a bitch nonetheless.

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suzzer99 01-23-2017 01:49 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/EvilMikeTomlin">@EvilMikeTomlin</a> remember when this was holding a week ago? <a href="https://t.co/PH4CDZVYy3">pic.twitter.com/PH4CDZVYy3</a></p>&mdash; Mark Salomon (@thetwilightsown) <a href="https://twitter.com/thetwilightsown/status/823331567372304385">January 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Red Dawg 01-23-2017 06:47 AM

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/EvilMikeTomlin">@EvilMikeTomlin</a> remember when this was holding a week ago? <a href="https://t.co/PH4CDZVYy3">pic.twitter.com/PH4CDZVYy3</a></p>&mdash; Mark Salomon (@thetwilightsown) <a href="https://twitter.com/thetwilightsown/status/823331567372304385">January 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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No surprise. Brady has been getting helped for many years.

GloryDayz 01-23-2017 07:56 AM

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/EvilMikeTomlin">@EvilMikeTomlin</a> remember when this was holding a week ago? <a href="https://t.co/PH4CDZVYy3">pic.twitter.com/PH4CDZVYy3</a></p>&mdash; Mark Salomon (@thetwilightsown) <a href="https://twitter.com/thetwilightsown/status/823331567372304385">January 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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It should have been to @****WadChuffers and @DipshitGoodell and @NFLHeadOfBiasedOfficials and @NFLrulesCommittee and, perhaps, @LoserClarkHunt47 too (just for good measure).

stevieray 01-23-2017 07:58 AM

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/EvilMikeTomlin">@EvilMikeTomlin</a> remember when this was holding a week ago? <a href="https://t.co/PH4CDZVYy3">pic.twitter.com/PH4CDZVYy3</a></p>&mdash; Mark Salomon (@thetwilightsown) <a href="https://twitter.com/thetwilightsown/status/823331567372304385">January 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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All day to throw..:rolleyes:

Pasta Little Brioni 01-23-2017 10:29 AM

More selective enforcement was on display on Sunday I see. There are near half dozen stills of no calls on the Cheatriots though. Can barely stomach to watch this shit anymore.. and this is coming from one that would watch from noon till 11 pm EVERY Sunday no matter the matchup. Just a pathetic product. Didn't even watch the AFC title game 2 years in a row...sad

gblowfish 01-23-2017 11:57 AM

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suzzer99 01-23-2017 12:18 PM

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No surprise. Brady has been getting helped for many years.

And if they did actually call it, I guarantee the announcer would say "Yeah that's going to get called every time." Right, except for all the times it doesn't.

GloryDayz 01-23-2017 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 12704686)
More selective enforcement was on display on Sunday I see. There are near half dozen stills of no calls on the Cheatriots though. Can barely stomach to watch this shit anymore.. and this is coming from one that would watch from noon till 11 pm EVERY Sunday no matter the matchup. Just a pathetic product. Didn't even watch the AFC title game 2 years in a row...sad

Hey, that affected the NFL's ratings by .0032 instead of .0016 (I didn't watch either).

GloryDayz 01-23-2017 12:45 PM

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This is holding if your name isn't Tom Brady:

Can we have it read, "If you're Clark's and Andy's Alex Smith, THEN THIS IS A HOLD!", then we turn it into a banner..

http://www.geocities.ws/pcfc69/airpl...presenting.gif

What's sickening is Clark wouldn't have the penis to print these, toss them on the next owner meeting, announce that "it's over, never again" (leaving no other words spoken), then start spinning a flash drive on the table.

13and3 01-23-2017 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 12704983)
Can we have it read, "If you're Clark's and Andy's Alex Smith, THEN THIS IS A HOLD!", then we turn it into a banner..

http://www.geocities.ws/pcfc69/airpl...presenting.gif

What's sickening is Clark wouldn't have the penis to print these, toss them on the next owner meeting, announce that "it's over, never again" (leaving no other words spoken), then start spinning a flash drive on the table.

I would donate 50 to fly banner on next home game. Maybe we ought to do a fund raiser.

Hammock Parties 01-28-2017 11:37 AM

Mark Schlereth calling out Fisher here...

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