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NJChiefsFan 08-02-2018 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Iczer (Post 13656395)
God, why'd you have to show this clip again. Still haunts me...foward momentum.... :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

I feel like the franchise has turned a page. Normally I would be there with you but to me that loss might as well have been 10 years ago.

Chris Meck 08-02-2018 02:25 PM

Yes, because obviously what I meant is that DJ, in his 15 ****ing years, never hit anybody.
Come on man.

O.city 08-02-2018 02:27 PM

It still just un****ingbelievable that they said forward progress there. Like, how the hell does that happen?

Kiimo 08-02-2018 02:40 PM

Didn't the ref that called that retire

ptlyon 08-02-2018 02:41 PM

Yes

NJChiefsFan 08-02-2018 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 13656576)
Didn't the ref that called that retire

The game was his retirement gift.

Kiimo 08-02-2018 02:42 PM

Let's find out where he lives

ptlyon 08-02-2018 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 13656583)
Let's find out where he lives

He's somewhere with Bashaud Breeland in the witness protection program

Hammock Parties 09-09-2018 05:32 PM

I thought he looked good day. Active against the run, blew up some screens. I like it so far. WIP but his athleticism is evident.

LoneWolf 09-09-2018 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13719998)
I thought he looked good day. Active against the run, blew up some screens. I like it so far. WIP but his athleticism is evident.

Yep, Hitchens looked good today. He has a ton of speed. Ford also looked good today. His get off from the LOS is unbelievable.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-09-2018 05:37 PM

15(!!!) tackles today

Bump 09-09-2018 05:38 PM

he looked good today, just don't rely on him in pass coverage too much like that TD pass to that RB. But he's solid.

Sassy Squatch 09-09-2018 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13720024)
15(!!!) tackles today

That's ridiculous.

JakeF 09-09-2018 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 13720026)
he looked good today, just don't rely on him in pass coverage too much like that TD pass to that RB. But he's solid.

Hitchens made 2 outstanding plays shooting the gap on screens.

pugsnotdrugs19 09-09-2018 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 13720026)
he looked good today, just don't rely on him in pass coverage too much like that TD pass to that RB. But he's solid.

Part of that play was how gassed he was IMO. That was that really long drive LAC had after already possessing the ball for much of the game.

ThaVirus 09-09-2018 05:52 PM

I thought he played a little soft. He got ran over by Gordon at least twice.

Could have been worse though.

thabear04 09-09-2018 06:46 PM

Didn’t they say they told Hitchens not to go full speed in practice because how fast he is. I heard something like that while watching the game.

Strongside 09-09-2018 06:48 PM

Thought he had a great day.

Prison Bitch 09-09-2018 07:00 PM

He's gonna have to tackle everyone Houston "ole's" thru

Mother****erJones 09-09-2018 07:51 PM

Plus ya gota figure that he didn’t play much in preseason. He’ll get into game shape.

NJChiefsFan 09-09-2018 09:44 PM

Great against the screens and runs. Really struggled on multiple pass coverages against different running backs.

Buckweath 09-09-2018 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 13721133)
Great against the screens and runs. Really struggled on multiple pass coverages against different running backs.

He was also poor in preseason against the pass. At this point I just hope we would get another decent CB. I can live with the poor LB coverage knowing they are strong against the run.

NJChiefsFan 09-09-2018 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 13721136)
He was also poor in preseason against the pass. At this point I just hope we would get another decent CB. I can live with the poor LB coverage knowing they are strong against the run.

If we pull a decent 3rd cb out of our ass and Berry actually got healthy I would really like our chances.

DaKCMan AP 10-15-2018 06:07 AM

How was this contract structured? Can we get out of it after the season?

Chiefnj2 10-15-2018 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 13818844)
How was this contract structured? Can we get out of it after the season?

Nope. Realistically,, 2021.

2019 9.5 M cap hit, 17.7 dead money if cut.

2020 11.3 M cap hit, 8.9 dead money if cut.

2021 9.3 M cap hit, 5.6 dead money

Sassy Squatch 10-15-2018 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 13818852)
Nope. Realistically,, 2021.

2019 9.5 M cap hit, 17.7 dead money if cut.

2020 11.3 M cap hit, 8.9 dead money if cut.

2021 9.3 M cap hit, 5.6 dead money

Good. ****ing. God.

Titty Meat 10-15-2018 06:18 AM

FIRE DORSEY HES BAD WITH CONTRACTS

Sassy Squatch 10-15-2018 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13818872)
FIRE DORSEY HES BAD WITH CONTRACTS

He was. Veach is too.

Hog's Gone Fishin 10-15-2018 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 13818844)
How was this contract structured? Can we get out of it after the season?

He's #3 in the NFL in tackles dumbass. If you want to get out from under someones contract there are much more deserving players.

Mecca 10-15-2018 06:42 AM

I really don't care about his tackle stats, he hasn't been good.

Chiefs Moon 10-15-2018 06:49 AM

He sucks. The Chiefs have to fire Sutton. Forget the schemes, his players can't tackle.

Hog's Gone Fishin 10-15-2018 06:52 AM

Tackling isn't easy. Players are strong and powerful and fast and stuff.

OmahaChief 10-15-2018 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13818925)
I really don't care about his tackle stats, he hasn't been good.

He has been better than any other LB we have on this team..

Molitoth 10-15-2018 07:36 AM

The common denominator for every player on this defense going to shit is..... ????

I mean, is it normal for every player to fall off the wagon at the same time??

Titty Meat 10-15-2018 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13818875)
He was. Veach is too.

I think it's the new NFL. Gotta pay to play.

DaKCMan AP 10-15-2018 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13818921)
He's #3 in the NFL in tackles dumbass. If you want to get out from under someones contract there are much more deserving players.

He's #1 in getting dragged 10 yards until the player falls down.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-15-2018 09:28 AM

Turd

Mother****erJones 10-15-2018 10:19 AM

Kendrell Bell 2.0

Chiefs Moon 10-15-2018 10:24 AM

He plays like a safety. He gives ground like no linebacker I've ever seen.

ToxSocks 10-15-2018 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 13819020)
The common denominator for every player on this defense going to shit is..... ????

I mean, is it normal for every player to fall off the wagon at the same time??

"Fall off the wagon"?

Not sure what you're talking about.

KChiefs1 10-15-2018 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by OmahaChief (Post 13819008)
He has been better than any other LB we have on this team..


Ragland is pure shit.

JakeF 10-15-2018 10:59 AM

I'm pretty sure i've seen Ragland juked by a QB and Hitchen trucked by a WR. Awesome.

htismaqe 10-15-2018 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 13819484)
"Fall off the wagon"?

Not sure what you're talking about.

Hitchens was a good player in Dallas. Fuller was a good player in Washington.

They've been pretty bad here, both of them.

I think it's time to fire Bob Sutton.

O.city 10-15-2018 11:01 AM

He was good in a different system. Don't give guys big deals and bring them in to do a different thing.

Just not smart.

O.city 10-15-2018 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13819631)
Hitchens was a good player in Dallas. Fuller was a good player in Washington.

They've been pretty bad here, both of them.

I think it's time to fire Bob Sutton.

This is a prime reason why "just sign a few free agents" isn't always ideal. You just never know how they'll transition.

I think both those guys are good players and will play better, but you just never know.

siberian khatru 10-15-2018 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13819631)
Hitchens was a good player in Dallas. Fuller was a good player in Washington.

They've been pretty bad here, both of them.

I think it's time to fire Bob Sutton.

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Mecca 10-15-2018 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13819635)
This is a prime reason why "just sign a few free agents" isn't always ideal. You just never know how they'll transition.

I think both those guys are good players and will play better, but you just never know.

Most teamd don't have an issue where guys who had been good look like total balls, that is on the coaching.

keg in kc 10-15-2018 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13819631)
Hitchens was a good player in Dallas. Fuller was a good player in Washington.

They've been pretty bad here, both of them.

I think it's time to fire Bob Sutton.

You say Sutton, I say the other 9 starters on defense. Well, 5 of 9. Keep Ford and Jones to play and Nnadi and Speaks to develop. Would anybody else on the field for us right now make a difference anywhere in the league? How do you coach that up? You're just setting another DC up for failure at this point.

htismaqe 10-15-2018 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 13819673)
You say Sutton, I say the other 9 starters on defense. Well, 5 of 9. Keep Ford and Jones to play and Nnadi and Speaks to develop. Would anybody else on the field for us right now make a difference anywhere in the league? How do you coach that up? You're just setting another DC up for failure at this point.

You're preaching to the choir man...

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-15-2018 04:04 PM

The Chiefs need good defensive players? Who knew?!

Let's give Bob 10 pro bowlers and still be stuck with a shitty defensive philosophy, scheme, and inability to make an adjustment or adjustments at ANY given time during the course of a game!

The Chiefs "defensive earth"?

Scorch it.

OnTheWarpath15 10-15-2018 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13819631)
Hitchens was a good player in Dallas. Fuller was a good player in Washington.

They've been pretty bad here, both of them.

I think it's time to fire Bob Sutton.

Had this conversation with a friend this morning.

We both feel like both of them are thinking rather than just playing.

OmahaChief 10-15-2018 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13819488)
Ragland is pure shit.

Pretty much the entire D is. At least at some point Hitchens brings a gun down most of the time. He is the best of the worst.

O.city 10-15-2018 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 13820677)
Had this conversation with a friend this morning.

We both feel like both of them are thinking rather than just playing.

It's gotta be that. I mean, he just looks tentative.

KChiefs1 10-15-2018 04:55 PM

Pure trash

NJChiefsFan 10-15-2018 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 13818852)
Nope. Realistically,, 2021.

2019 9.5 M cap hit, 17.7 dead money if cut.

2020 11.3 M cap hit, 8.9 dead money if cut.

2021 9.3 M cap hit, 5.6 dead money

Holy bananas.

Marco Polo 10-16-2018 09:43 AM

I don't normally post paid for articles but this is a good read. Don't know how to embed- there's video I can't attach in here.

https://theathletic.com/592970/2018/...temic-problem/

Chiefs linebacker Anthony Hitchens is struggling, and it might be a systemic problem

Something​ isn’t right​ with​ the​ Chiefs’​ defense.

OK,​ so​ that could​ be​ one of the​ greatest understatements​ to​ ever begin​ an​ article.​​ While the Chiefs’ D has played well in the first quarter of games and has flashed a few times, overall the product has been … well, bad enough to be on pace to break records, and not in a good way.

The defense has been so bad that, despite hanging 31 second-half points on coach Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots — something that had never happened to Belichick — the Chiefs were defeated at Foxboro Stadium on Sunday. While Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes made a few mistakes in the first half, his brilliance was so absurd in the second half that it should have rendered such mistakes irrelevant.

The problem was that the offense, in order to beat the Patriots, couldn’t afford a few mistakes. It had to be near-perfect. And that, unfortunately, has appeared to be the case in multiple games this season. While the defense has managed a few stops, it has far more often surrendered yards and points at a disturbing rate (except when playing Blake Bortles and the Jaguars). This has put the offense in the position of having to score time and again, much like in the second half Sunday evening against the Patriots.

Many defensive players have struggled, and one of them is a veteran who was brought in to be part of the solution. Anthony Hitchens was signed to a 5-year, $45 million contract in the offseason and was touted as a player who would upgrade the middle of the defense, both as a run defender and a “three-down linebacker,” according to Chiefs general manager Brett Veach.

But so far this season, Hitchens has been anything but a solution, struggling significantly covering running backs out of the backfield and having less impact on the run game than many (myself included) hoped he would. Despite collecting 14 tackles Sunday, Hitchens was consistently a step slow and was exposed multiple times in coverage by Patriots running back James White. The most damaging of those plays came late in the fourth quarter with the Chiefs desperate for a stop.

With 1:36 left in the game, the Patriots had the ball on their own 36-yard-line. New England had all their timeouts remaining, but the Chiefs were still in a decent place in terms of field position. Then White got into the open field against Hitchens, and things shifted.

While the Patriots still needed a few more plays to get into field-goal range, this play gave them a great shot at going ahead to win the game while still controlling the clock. It was a tough play to watch, as Hitchens had already been beaten by White out of the backfield multiple times.

White is an extremely difficult player to defend in the passing game, and part of this is just a physical mismatch. However, it becomes a doomed play in part because Hitchens allows himself to be slowed down by a Patriots receiver and the covering corner. This appears to be by design by the Patriots, a pick play of sorts. Rather than going underneath the receiver or even delivering a shot, Hitchens instead slows down considerably and takes a wide angle, basically conceding the catch even as the ball is being thrown. He’s then embarrassed in space by the much quicker White.

This is a tough play for a linebacker to make, but hesitation was the word of the day for Hitchens. Watch this play from earlier in the game. Hitchens displays the same issue on a play he absolutely could have made.

There’s less space for Hitchens to cover here. However, he still gets hung up a bit. Then, when it’s obvious where the throw is going, Hitchens chooses to stay back and let White come to him rather than driving on the running back and trying to reach him right after the ball arrives. Had Hitchens played this aggressively downhill, he may well have stopped it for minimal gain or slowed White down long enough for the rest of the defense to swarm.

Instead, that moment of hesitation and conservative play helped the Patriots pick up a solid gain. This happened multiple times in the passing game. Look where Hitchens is on this play when the ball arrives.

While Hitchens appears to be preparing to drop into zone coverage, he’s also the defender with responsibility (based off what we can see, at least) for White if he slips out of the backfield. Despite this, Hitchens again doesn’t aggressively drive toward the ball and is a full seven yards away when White turns up the field. This is a terrible position for a linebacker to be in. There’s no way to funnel him toward the defense, and the runner has every momentum advantage. White uses that advantage to break Hitchens’ ankles and pick up another solid gain.

Hitchens does not look comfortable moving on the field. It’s impossible to say whether it’s a physical or a mental issue without the man himself saying something, but he looks tentative. It appears as though he’s thinking, then acting. But in the NFL, split-second hesitations are the difference between stuffs and big gains.

That hesitation came into play against the run as well. And to be fair to Hitchens, it wasn’t just him. Fellow inside linebacker Reggie Ragland seemed similarly afflicted at times.

Watch how Hitchens and Ragland react to this run as compared to safety Jordan Lucas, who comes into the box to cover Rob Gronkowski.

While it’s not entirely fair to compare different positions, given the fact that all three defenders are in a similar spot on the field their reaction is worth noting. Lucas has already taken two steps before Hitchens or Ragland are moving forward with any purpose. Ragland hops forward but still allows the blockers to come to him. Hitchens is entirely passive on the play.

Without being inside the huddle, it’s impossible to know what Hitchens/Ragland were supposed to do there. Additionally, the defensive line didn’t exactly eat up the blockers. However, it’s highly concerning that Lucas, who had to worry about potentially covering Gronk on the play, appears to react significantly more quickly than the players who are actually there to defend the run.

Something is causing the inside linebackers to play passively on far too many snaps, Hitchens in particular. Plays like this, during which Hitchens doesn’t even attempt to engage/shed his blocker and instead gets caught up in an extended game of patty cake while getting moved 10 yards off the line, are genuinely bizarre.

It’s surprising to see Hitchens play this way. I reviewed him fairly extensively after the Chiefs signed him, and he appears to be a very different player in 2018 than he was in 2017.

Going through Hitchens’ snaps in 2017, there are many plays like this, whether he’s involved in the tackle or not. In Dallas, Hitchens was a decisive player who mostly read plays, reacted quickly and got downhill in a hurry, hitting with purpose and seldom missing tackles. Suddenly, in 2018, he’s playing hesitantly and missing tackles left and right.

Hitchens didn’t suddenly forget how to play linebacker at the NFL level. And while some have voiced concern that he has perhaps gotten complacent after getting paid, literally every Dallas analyst and beat writer I spoke to about Hitchens indicated that he doesn’t have that type of personality whatsoever. It seems unlikely that a player would go from beloved hard-working tough guy to “I got paid, so who cares,” and I don’t believe that’s the case here.

Another possibility is that Hitchens continues to be bothered by the injury that kept him out of action for much of training camp and preseason. That seems more likely, but it doesn’t explain why on some snaps, he appears perfectly capable of moving well.

I chose this play because Hitchens is placed in space, where he seems to have struggled so much. Here, Hitchens moves quickly laterally even after being sucked up by play-action. He keeps his eyes up while getting to the sideline, then recognizes the throw coming. The change of direction he must make here is something that he struggled with in other situations, but he didn’t seem to have any issues on this play. He changes direction well and closes very quickly, finishing strong to collect a tackle for loss.

An injured player should move roughly the same way all the time. The fact that Hitchens, on this snap and a few others, looked much more like the player he was last year tells me that this isn’t an injury situation.

So what’s the most likely possibility?

Hitchens is thinking too much, or is being asked to think too much. I recall a conversation I had with a Chiefs defender years ago about Sutton’s requirements of defenders. He made it clear to me that Sutton has very specific requirements for his players, and that inside linebackers were fairly frequently asked to “lay back” and read what gap a run was going to rather than simply attacking a single gap. It’s no coincidence that this conversation revolved around a play in which an inside linebacker hesitated, blockers reached him and the opponent had a nice gain.

Every defensive coordinator has plays where linebackers are asked to wait rather than attack. However, it’s starting to strain credulity that every single inside linebacker the Chiefs have fielded in the Bob Sutton era — outside of All-Pro Derrick Johnson — has struggled with appearing hesitant far too often. Even DJ, in his final year, had those same issues with blockers reaching him as he hesitated and waited.

It could well be that DJ’s freakish athleticism and ability to read plays allowed him to compensate for an issue whereas other linebackers could not. As his athleticism faded, his ability to make up for lost ground went with it, and the struggles we saw last year emerged. There’s no way to know for certain, but DJ’s fade fits in with the idea that Sutton has his linebackers thinking far too much rather than simply moving up the field and attacking.

At a certain point, when multiple players demonstrate the same issue over a period of multiple years, it’s time to question whether the problem is higher up. Right now, Hitchens is a shadow of the player he was in Dallas. It’s Sutton’s job to figure out why, and whether his scheme is indeed part of the problem. Otherwise the Chiefs are going to be looking at a rather large sunk cost at inside linebacker for the next few years.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was asked about the inside linebacker play on a conference call Monday, and he was, as is his habit, quick to take the blame off individual players.

“It’s not just two guys, everybody can do better on that,” Reid said. “Normally teams aren’t going to destroy you with the run game. That’s not where it happens. But we’ve got to do a better job solidifying some things there. That’s everybody, the whole front and including safeties if they’re in the position. We had a couple overloads (Sunday) where we had people in position, and you just got to make the play. We’ve got tighten that up a little bit.”

Reid will never throw players or coaches under the bus. That’s one reason people love playing for him and coaching underneath him. However, something needs to change, and quickly. Because a historically bad defense is not going to be good enough to win the Super Bowl, and after watching a wounded Chiefs stand and trade blows with a healthy Patriots team in Foxboro, it’s obvious that the goal should be going all the way. That will require at least a semi-competent defense, and the Chiefs need Hitchens playing like he’s capable of playing to get there.

The Franchise 10-16-2018 09:47 AM

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Hitchens is thinking too much, or is being asked to think too much. I recall a conversation I had with a Chiefs defender years ago about Sutton’s requirements of defenders. He made it clear to me that Sutton has very specific requirements for his players, and that inside linebackers were fairly frequently asked to “lay back” and read what gap a run was going to rather than simply attacking a single gap. It’s no coincidence that this conversation revolved around a play in which an inside linebacker hesitated, blockers reached him and the opponent had a nice gain.
Then why the **** did we pay one $45 million dollars? At this point....Sutton needs to go. His scheme is ****ed unless he has a team full of all-pros.

Sassy Squatch 10-16-2018 09:51 AM

Hitchens is thinking too much, or is being asked to think too much. I recall a conversation I had with a Chiefs defender years ago about Sutton’s requirements of defenders. He made it clear to me that Sutton has very specific requirements for his players, and that inside linebackers were fairly frequently asked to “lay back” and read what gap a run was going to rather than simply attacking a single gap. It’s no coincidence that this conversation revolved around a play in which an inside linebacker hesitated, blockers reached him and the opponent had a nice gain.

Just... wow.

dirk digler 10-16-2018 09:56 AM

The last part of the article should be posted in the Fire Sutton thread. He really needs to be let go but I don't have any faith in Reid doing that unless Clark tells him to.

mcaj22 10-16-2018 10:22 AM

So you need all pro freak athleticism talents like prime DJ, prime Berry, prime Houston to run Muttons scheme. Its truly a terrible scheme. If you dont have a freak talent you are dead in the water. Exactly how it was on the Rex Ryan Jets.

ChiefBlueCFC 10-16-2018 10:25 AM

Reading Seth Keysor's article now; very telling point in the article here:

Hitchens is thinking too much, or is being asked to think too much. I recall a conversation I had with a Chiefs defender years ago about Sutton’s requirements of defenders. He made it clear to me that Sutton has very specific requirements for his players, and that inside linebackers were fairly frequently asked to “lay back” and read what gap a run was going to rather than simply attacking a single gap. It’s no coincidence that this conversation revolved around a play in which an inside linebacker hesitated, blockers reached him and the opponent had a nice gain.

To summarize: BOB SUTTON NEEDS TO ****ING GO!!! YESTERDAY, FFS!!!

RunKC 10-16-2018 10:31 AM

Did Hitchens play in a 4-3 at Iowa?

In58men 10-16-2018 10:41 AM

**** Sutton

SAUTO 10-16-2018 11:44 AM

I've said this multiple times.

Our defenders aren't attacking anything, look lazy, and very slow.

Maybe it's not their fault. On the one play ragland just attacked he didn't look too slow. He met the rb right as it was handed off

htismaqe 10-16-2018 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13822246)
Did Hitchens play in a 4-3 at Iowa?

Yeah. He actually played a lot outside too. I don't remember if it was weak or strong side though. I want to say his primary position was weak side.

htismaqe 10-16-2018 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 13822222)
So you need all pro freak athleticism talents like prime DJ, prime Berry, prime Houston to run Muttons scheme. Its truly a terrible scheme. If you dont have a freak talent you are dead in the water. Exactly how it was on the Rex Ryan Jets.

Go back to Buddy's defenses and look at the talent. Great players can play any scheme...

htismaqe 10-16-2018 12:00 PM

Hitchens was the Will linebacker at Iowa.

And on that note, not only do they run a 4-3, they run a lot of coverage out of their base sets. They don't blitz a lot nor do they use a ton of sub packages.

Hitchens was expected to cover RBs, WRs, and pretty much anything else the offense put out there. Iowa would run base defense against Northwestern and Indiana spread offenses and for the most part, it worked.

This guy HAS the skills. It has to be Sutton.

Mecca 10-16-2018 12:06 PM

When you see the same problem with a bunch of guys...that pretty much lets you know what the issue is. I don't think anyone who watched Raglands college games or scouting stuff who wanted the Chiefs to draft him ever read or saw him and thought he looks tentative...he never played that way ever, neither did Hitchens yet now they do.

Chiefnj2 10-16-2018 12:11 PM

A lot of Dallas fans said Hitchens was a 2 down backer for them, but Chief fans didn't want to hear it.

Mecca 10-16-2018 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 13822478)
A lot of Dallas fans said Hitchens was a 2 down backer for them, but Chief fans didn't want to hear it.

Even if you buy into that, it doesn't explain how he looks bad at everything now.

TEX4Chiefs 10-16-2018 12:23 PM

Living in the Dallas area, I watched nearly every game Hitchens played for the Cowboys. Always considered him a good to very good LB...playing along side Sean Lee. When the often injured Lee was out, the quality of Hitchens play dropped substantially.

The Cowboys were desperate for LB's and offered Hitchens a new contract, but the Chiefs ridiculous offer was too rich for them. They chose to draft another LB instead (Leighton Vander Esch) and continued to hope that Jaylon Smith's nerve damage would finish healing (it did).

The Cowboys now have 2 inexpensive, but young and talented linebackers to go along with Sean Lee. The Chiefs have an expensive, overrated linebacker who needs to be paired with a quality linebacker to maximize his abilities. There's simply not one on the team right now.

Bottom line, the Chiefs overpaid for Hitchens and Sammy Watkins. I'm still not sure why they signed Watkins. Mahomes had plenty of weapons on offense and Watkins was simply a luxury. His money could have been better utilized on the defensive side of the ball. Through Week 6, the Chiefs have statistically the worst defense in the NFL and Hitchens just isn't good enough to make a difference. Moves need to be made for the Chiefs to go deep into the playoffs...this year.

htismaqe 10-16-2018 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13822486)
Even if you buy into that, it doesn't explain how he looks bad at everything now.

Exactly.

dirk digler 10-16-2018 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX4Chiefs (Post 13822502)
Living in the Dallas area, I watched nearly every game Hitchens played for the Cowboys. Always considered him a good to very good LB...playing along side Sean Lee. When the often injured Lee was out, the quality of Hitchens play dropped substantially.

The Cowboys were desperate for LB's and offered Hitchens a new contract, but the Chiefs ridiculous offer was too rich for them. They chose to draft another LB instead (Leighton Vander Esch) and continued to hope that Jaylon Smith's nerve damage would finish healing (it did).

The Cowboys now have 2 inexpensive, but young and talented linebackers to go along with Sean Lee. The Chiefs have an expensive, overrated linebacker who needs to be paired with a quality linebacker to maximize his abilities. There's simply not one on the team right now.

Bottom line, the Chiefs overpaid for Hitchens and Sammy Watkins. I'm still not sure why they signed Watkins. Mahomes had plenty of weapons on offense and Watkins was simply a luxury. His money could have been better utilized on the defensive side of the ball. Through Week 6, the Chiefs have statistically the worst defense in the NFL and Hitchens just isn't good enough to make a difference. Moves need to be made for the Chiefs to go deep into the playoffs...this year.


Totally agree about Watkins. They should have paid Albert Wilson and used the rest on defense.

htismaqe 10-16-2018 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 13822524)
Totally agree about Watkins. They should have paid Albert Wilson and used the rest on defense.

The brought in Williams and Hitchens early. They signed umpteen defensive backs. They dedicated almost an entire draft to the defense.

Do you think spending more money on the defense was ever in the plan? Furthermore, would it have helped?

I have my doubts.

Kiimo 10-16-2018 12:39 PM

We are only scratching the surface with Watkins, he will win us games in the future.


That said, Albert Wilson already is. Man that guy was one we should have held on to.

Hammock Parties 10-16-2018 12:43 PM

Tyreek said Watkins was doubled all night, that's why he only got two catches.

The Franchise 10-16-2018 12:47 PM

Pay Albert Wilson $24 million over 3 years? **** that shit.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-16-2018 12:56 PM

It is as I feared; fancy pants nerd pocket protector-defense. "Academic" defense.
And not a good fit for KC. I prefer the opposite; gonzo first, strategy/chess/finesse second.

htismaqe 10-16-2018 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Claysexual (Post 13822573)
It is as I feared; fancy pants nerd pocket protector-defense. "Academic" defense.
And not a good fit for KC. I prefer the opposite; gonzo first, strategy/chess/finesse second.

Just remember, that mentality is likely coming just as much from the head coach as from the defensive coordinator.

Andy is calling the shots here.

RealSNR 10-16-2018 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 13822222)
So you need all pro freak athleticism talents like prime DJ, prime Berry, prime Houston to run Muttons scheme. Its truly a terrible scheme. If you dont have a freak talent you are dead in the water. Exactly how it was on the Rex Ryan Jets.

And when we had those freaks, what was the best we achieved?

A whole lot of turnovers in 2013, 2015 and 2016. Some decent play in spite of injuries in 2014. Pretty much from 2016 and onward, though, it's been bend-AND-break defense.

This shit**** form we're in now is the culmination of that many years of Sutton.


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