I have big, strong dogs. They’re not aggressive. But anytime young children visit, the dogs are put in a separate area. Kids can do dumb things around animals. Dogs can be “triggered.” Maybe I am overly cautious, but it only seems prudent to eliminate any unnecessary risks, especially when small children are involved. My guns are also made inaccessible (to kids) when kids visit. You can’t eliminate every risk, but taking care of the low hanging fruit seems pretty simple & appropriate.

Have a relative who had a pitbull who was properly trained and socialized. Snapped after 12 years and tried to kill her, mauling her hands and arms and leaving her hospitalized for weeks.

It does NOT all stem back to the owner.

LMAO

Yep, see those stories all the time of normal, nice families who socialize them and they still snap... they're just a breed prone to it

Sister in law has a distant cousin who had the same thing happen to her kid. One day the time bomb went off and now her kid is permanently scared for life.

Yep lol

We have a Pembroke Welsh Corgi who is trained and relatively well behaved most times. Some times though she ignores us and does what she wants. It stems from her being a herding dog. It’s instinctual for her to be the one in control. Doesn’t make her a bad dog or a dog with no discipline, just one whose instincts take over at times. Pit Bulls are bred to fight and all the training in the world could make them passive, but the risk of that side coming out is always there.

Just socializing this type of dog is not enough. They need constant focused training and the owners need training as well on how to handle a large breed dog with that much power and how to spot aggressive body language so aggressive behavior can be stopped before it manifests into an incident. I volunteer at a rescue for pits and in my estimation only about 5% of the population is capable of being a good owner for one. There are so many things you have to learn about these dogs and so much specialized training required that you should really need a license to own one. You need to now what their specific triggers are (food, possession, noise, same sex, etc...) and you have to work with them on dealing with those triggers.

I tell you what'd be a whole lot easier, just outlaw them nationwide... so when the living ones die off, they're all gone

Do you have toddlers in the home?

I personally feel Pitties get a bad rap from stupid ****ing owners.

Pibble owners should be young, single, and live a quiet, solitary life.

Good for you man. So we all agree, f*** these dogs. No guns where I am and there's sh*tloads of these and the American Bully XLs messing people up. I hate them and their owners.

Nah, just regulate breeding to start breeding some of the aggression out of them and require a license that can only be earned through rigorous training classes to own one. No reason to outlaw a breed that has been around since the 1800s.

I LOVE pittbulls.

Taste kinda like chicken.

Haven't they been trying to breed the aggression out of them for decades? I feel like a 4 legged ticking time bomb isn't worth it when there are so many other wonderful breeds of dogs.

These things are like a status symbol for some stupid reason.

I think it's a byproduct of the current fad of "I don't have to follow rules because I'm special". If someone says you shouldn't do something, we now see big flocks of people who do that very thing.

I feel like we need a faster form of darwinism, though. Maybe we should put big electrified fountains in town squares with signs that say, "Don't go into the water."

I gave you a thumbs up because what you suggested is a good idea. My only question is why have them? What does a Pit Bull provide outside of being a status symbol?

Loving companion..?

Same as any other breed of dog.

Good idea

My neighborhood now full of kids that are 2-5 years old. I'd just hate to see something bad happen to one of them because the 110lb woman can't control her dog that is 80lbs of muscle.

Plus there has been a few occasions that people have dumped pits in the country and they wander into my neighborhood.

Mayhe just own another breed of dog then I reckon

Seen it with my own eyes. My story is also buried in this thread.

What does any non-working dog provide?

So why Pit Bull? You can get a loving companion in a lot of other breeds that do not have the track record of a Pit Bull.

Not in any regulated way. Still a lot of irresponsible backyard breeders.

I cannot imagine what those parents are going thru right now.
This is an article I read a while back -

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"In simplest terms, if a dog has the blocky head shape and oversized jaws characteristic of a pit bull, a magnetic resonance imaging scan is likely to identify the brain structures associated with sudden, random, unpredictable violence and “dead game” fighting behavior as well."

Plenty. But they also don’t have the reputation or track record of a Pit Bull which continues with my question of what that breed provides that makes people want them despite the reputation.

90% of their owners want them for one thing, the tough and violent reputation that they feel reflects them as people

The other 10% are big hearted but naive people who think "all animals are good they just need love!"... and they think that right up until their 5 year olds face gets chewed off

Not to derail but since we are on the subject of pitbulls...

When you look at my Corgi sized pitty mix... does he raise the same kind of trepidation that a standard Pit would?

Follow up...

Would his breed DNA results, showing he is 21% Pit, disqualify him from a place in your home?

/not looking to convince any of you otherwise if you answer yes/no. I'm just curious as to whether a mix of any sort is acceptable, and if so... what that mix level is.

Your mix would not raise the same issues as a pure bred Pit Bull. Primarily because with mutts, many of the bad traits in a breed are bred out.

If your child is killed by your pit bull you should go to prison. You knew better and did it anyway.

They also need to quit turning these things into godless abominations with SLAMMED and JACKED toadline bullies.

Who was the "Pitbull guy" again? BigDaddy, right?

This thread needs his burst.

"Bite a few Knee caps" is appropriate

Gotta get 'em down to toddler throat height bud.

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SMH

guess it's time to get a little hold out .22

So you’re throwing German shepherds in with pit bulls ?

here is what i received last night though...i mean come on man

Same with my wiener dog. He's a great dog, and he always knows what you WANT him to do and he'll do that 95% of the time, but every once in awhile he gets stubborn and doesn't want to do it.

One of the pits who attacked me lives with 3-4 other dogs. I assume he is quite well socialized. That particular pit was not as aggressive but on a bad day when it had not been fed, who knows? I stopped walking that street.

THIS one had a big fluffy white malamute brother or something, so again, plenty socialized.

The malamute didn't come near my dog, it just wanted to see what the ruckus was about. ROFL

For some reaosn raiduhs fans always seem to own them.

I would be stunned if he was convicted. Pit Bulls have a reputation and the owner has to justify why his was not on a leash. Gonna be hard to convince the courts that “fluffy” was a ball of cute and gentleness.

That might not make it thru it's skull. Goddamn walking around with a .22 LMAO maybe pack the Red Ryder BB gun instead.

I love good dogs. And Im a cat fan.

But with no hesitation I would drop a pit in its tracks

Best dog i ever owned (and still own) is my wimpy, girly little poodle thing.

I can communicate with her with just eye looks and hand gestures. She walks so well i practically dont even need a leash. Never tugs, never pulls (unless you ask her to walk in the dirt), always walks at the right pace. A simple call of her name has her running to me no matter what she was doing. The most well mannered, polite dog ive ever encountered and i barely did shit to train her. She just gets it.

On top of that, she's prissy AF. Had no idea dogs could be so....prissy? She wont pee anywhere another dog has been, and absolutely refuses to get her paws dirty.

If you try to walk her into the dirt, she'll fight it. If you do manage to get her into the dirt/mud/water etc, she'll literally stand there with one paw in the air like, "aww hell nah, i am NOT getting my paws dirty". I laugh every time.

there's no ****ing way any dog on earth isn't stopping after getting shot with a .22

this is not a ****ing bear

you really think i need 9mm?

You're opening yourself up to all kinds of potential legal consequences carrying and potentially using a pistol for dog walks in city limits

Go get the bear/dog spray you were thinking of earlier and that will do just fine... pits aren't grizzly bears who can just stomp through it if the really want to

I'd pack something like this personally:

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bro this is fairlane

half the block is strapped

I'm no expert on pit bulls, but I would assume an enraged big, muscular dog like that would react the same as an enraged big, muscular person; it's going to ignore a small wound or just get more pissed off that you shot it. If you hit it with a .22 (unless you get the brain) it might bleed out eventually, but not before it's gone all Ramsey Bolton on you.

If you're worried about getting attacked by squirrels or rabbits, carry a .22. If you're worried about something that can kill and eat you, carry a real gun.

IIRC, I had this debate earlier in this thread. Personally, I’d own a pit bull because they’ve got a good mix of qualities. They’re a big breed so they’re useful for home defense if necessary while not being so massive that they would become an issue being an indoors animal. Unlike most other big breeds, they’ve got short coats so they won’t shed like many others. The short coat is also ideal for hot climates like the one I live in. They’re extremely affordable.

Idk, those are just off the top of my head..

The vast majority of pit bulls live and die without mauling 3 year olds so that’s not something I’d consider too much.

If you own one of these infant shredder dogs then you should just kill yourself. The world would be a better place.

Of course.. This doesn't surprise me..

We call them Mexican Doorbells here in AZ.

The whole "home security" thing is wildly overblown. All dogs bark. Therefore all dogs will give you warning, or ward off a potential intruder. The odds of someone trying to break in are low anyway.

Secondly, **** they are a lot of work dude. I think i made a post somewhere in here already about it, but it's nice to have dogs that don't go apeshit everytime someone wants to come over. Or everytime someone walks by your house. It's annoying AF having to tell your dog to STFU, and they don't listen any goddamn way so now you're just yelling at the dog like an asshole while your dog is still going apeshit.

These aggressive, high energy dogs simply aint worth the trouble. I had a pure blood blue nose pitbull once and good god she was a ****.

I had a Rot/Pit mutt and i loved him, but damn what a chore he was.

Most people get a dog thinking they're going to be a companion, an accessory to their lives.

But dogs like these aren't an accessory, they're your WHOLE life. You cant just leave him in your backyard and think it's gonna be gravy. You MUST walk him, all the time. Things like off-leash dog parks....eh, you better be careful. You have to spend a tremendous amount of time training them, and you have to be able to communicate with them on their terms. So unless you plan on having your life revolve around your dog, just get a regular old boring, wimpy dog.

I got two non threatening, pip-squeak dogs and couldn't be happier. Life is so much easier with the TWO of them than it was with my ONE Rot/Pit mutt.

Someone mentioned Chows. I owned two for a number of years. Male was solid gold; kept him until he died. Female wanted to kill everything on four legs. When my son was born I kept a distance between her and my son. One day when he was just learning to walk he was inside and she was outside the arcadia door. When my son stood himself up against the arcadia door she pounced at him against the glass. I put an ad in the paper and gave her away to the first person interested...warned the new owner of her aggression. I would have killed her had she hurt my son.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN “YOU PEOPLE”?!?!

I am my son was attacked by one walking home from the bus stop. Jumped its fence ran him down bit him many times till he got away. Bit through his jeans drawing blood. Had to go through the first round of rabies shots. Only luckily found the dog through me posting if anyone knows this dog in Nextdoor and pics from my cell phone. The dog I tried to get as it had no collar so it could be observed for signs of rabbies. It came after me I had had picked up a 5 foot x 2 inch branch on the ground. When he was danger close I cracked him across the muzzle. It ran like hell jumping in one bound over fences the next block over. Called the Doctor and was told to go to children mercy to be evaluated. Since the dog seemed stray they had to start first round shots. When we got home my app was lit up with people that had run ins with this dog. The mailman stopped to talk to me that he had reported this dog and had been bit but didn't draw blood. The owner texted tat it was there dog and swore he was up to date. I told to get me the paper work copy. She lied to me and said she would get the records the next day at the dog hospital. The next day I waited and nothing so went to her house she was balling and just didnt remember that the dog hadn't had shots in 2 years. I called animal control right then and there and hour later they impounded for obsevation.

You trying to convince me to get a toy breed? Lol. I’m not doing it! I can’t stand shitty little ass dogs. They yap more than the big breeds and that shrill pitch is FAR more annoying than the deep bass that comes from a dog over 50 pounds.

In my experience, pits aren’t particularly high energy. They don’t require near the amount of exercise as other breeds like boxers and huskies anyway.

Not a toy breed, no. But small dogs are nice. Hey, maybe you're a more attentive dog owner than I. Personally, when i get off work i dont look forward to a second job of now having to attend to my dog, let alone the rest of the fam that needs my attention.

And yes, Pits are high energy. When you don't expend that energy on a daily basis and walk them for a good while, you get a dog that wigs out on everyone that walks by your home. That shit gets old REAL fast.

This is still what it comes down to for me. I know people are quick to say it's "not the dog, but the owner", but I've yet to meet a responsible Pit owner. Our old neighbor just left the dog outside 24/7 (and it got bored and destroyed our fence). These dogs just need constant training, reinforcement, and vigilance (in a perfect world, they'd have classes, too). But I haven't met someone who has put that level of care into their Pit.

FTR, I know responsible folks like this exist, but I've yet to meet one.

While I disagree on reasons to own one, I can respect you actually giving reasons beyond "just because". You are also correct that the vast majority do not maul 3 year old's. I ask, do you have children? Not trying to be funny, but I am curious if you do. If so, do you have a pit bull at home? If you don't have children, would you be perfectly comfortable with your young children around one?

I’m just kidding. I can understand the appeal of small breeds. My ex had a Yorkie/Maltese mix (they call it a Morkie) and he was only semi-yappy so he was cool. Lil Chico. Talk about not shedding- those ****ers are bred to have actual hair lol it’s awesome. They’re soft af and you don’t get any hair on your clothes/furniture.

I really just despise the bulldog breeds because I think it’s irresponsible to breed them. They can’t swim, run, hell they can hardly even breathe. Also chihuahuas suck. They’re so feeble. You ever just look at a chihuahua while it’s being held and it’s shaking? Like visibly trembling for no reason?

I never had that experience with any pit I’ve been around. At worst you might come home to some shit around the house chewed up, but that’s really on the owner.

Do I need a ****ing .45 LMAO

My son didn't need the rest of the shots as they observed and released into her sisters custody who had land in the country. The KC pet project did the evaluation as that was where the kcmo animal control dropped the dogs for observation. I was told by animal control this dog would not be allowed back to the original owners. The agent told me over the phone it couldn't come back unless a fence at least 6.5 feet in height was constructed. A month later I was setting out trash and heard the neighbor holler get out here. The same shepherd came running up the street saw me and did a 90-degree lept fence into the neighbor's yard and disappeared. I then had my handgun at the ready if ever I seen. I called Animal Control and told them no improvements were made to restrain this dog. They seemed disinterested and nothing happened the dog was out running many times. I came close to putting it down but no safe shooting lanes so didn't pull the thunder. The neighbor wouldn't answer the phone or knocks at their door.

Anyway, months passed and a new neighbor a street over described the same dog had bit her grade school daughter at the bus stop and neighbors told her where the dog belonged. The dog was collected and destroyed and it was current. So much history with this dog till it was finally done in. I wish I'd killed it before that little girl was bitten.

That neighbor's reputation was mud and they moved a few years ago good riddance. Also **** KC Pet Project for allowing this piece of shit animal back into our neighborhood to reek terror. My son who loved dogs was never the same. I had to pick him up and drop him off at school he stopped playing outside till a year after this dog was for sure gone and he came out of it and got back to normal.

JFC.

Honestly I didn’t know it was that prolific with that breed. Neighbor had one and I didn’t think twice about it.

We used to drop hogs we pulled for slaughter with a hollow point .22. That’s plopping one in the dome though. If you’re under duress and you don’t think you can land one in the melon get something bigger.

Whatever you use, get hollow points. You could use an AR 15 and a full metal jacket will just poke a hole in him. Get hollow points, rip it’s shit apart and be done.

If this all goes down, it seems unlikely that you'll be wishing you had fired a smaller bullet.

Nope, no pits in my home. I have never owned a dog in my adult life.

I have a small child and I wouldn’t be comfortable with her around any animal, including pit bulls, chihuahuas or cats. Animals can be weird and unpredictable.

Guess I'm going to the gun store.

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Dear Dumb shit,

with all due respect, a .22 round could literally richocet off a pit bull's skull and either round off the top between the bone and skin...or deflect directly back at you.

With a .22, you could mortally wound yourself and do nothing to the dog but seriously piss it off.

.22s are for killing rabbits and birds.
9mm are for thugs
.45s, .44s, and .40 cals are for alpha males...

You should get a .32 or .38...

With the 40 watt range?

You sure know your guns, pal...hey, you can't do that in here...

Gee aren’t there some Gremlins in the back?

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Our new neighbor 1/2 mile down the Laneway has two. I see them when we go to get the mail or take trash down. I’ve started carrying and so has the Mrs. 9mm/45. They will slow them down quickly.

And if I catch them up by our place. Well they will end up in the brush pile with the rest of the coyotes and stray/random dogs in the north pasture. There will be no warning or call to come get your dogs. They will just….. disappear….

Not the best carry option. Full sized .45s are heavy and bulky, and smaller ones are really snappy and have limited magazine capacity. And 1911s are not good carry guns; you don't want to be fumbling around with an external safety while a pit bull is eating your leg (or somebody is shooting at you). Again, I'm not in the shooting dogs business, but I assume if you put a couple of 9mm hollowpoint rounds into a pit bull it would at the very least slow it down. Those are going to do some serious damage. And even if you miss, the sound of the shot might scare it away.

As I've said many times in the gun thread, the best carry weapon is a Sig P365XL. If you want to carry something, carry that.

Why not a revolver?

Unless it’s double action. It’s not as easy to handle. Or shoot fast with.

Why not ride a ****ing horse to work and listen to 8-track tapes? Revolvers suck.

The Sig I carry holds 13 rounds. A revolver generally holds six, and smaller ones (like a typical snubnose .38) hold five. They also generally have really heavy double action trigger pulls - you have to cock the hammer to get a light pull. And a lot of revolvers specifically don't have external hammers any more.