Actually, SF had a much better chance mid way through the 4th quarter, and it was still stupid. Check the gamecast. They had a 10% chance, not a .01% chance like Tampa, and it would be worse is it went into the hundreth of a percent. :facepalm:

Not every coach is going to do that. Don't know why you keep saying it.

Refs should've handed a 15 yard penalty for unsportsman like conduct. **** Harbaugh.

The Cardinals might lose like we did to the Steelers. Give up no TDs and score two of your own. Plenty of time though.

Another onside kick. They already tried two? It was epically stupid by Bowles.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">bucs had no chance, they already attempted 2 onsides <a href="https://t.co/qwUyoAspbe">pic.twitter.com/qwUyoAspbe</a></p>&mdash; Alex (@alexpie0409) <a href="https://twitter.com/alexpie0409/status/1848568472583708681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bucs literally had zero chance.

They did not have a 10% chance down 16 points with two minutes left. LMAO

They needed a touchdown, a 2PT conversion, a successful onside kick, a touchdown, and another 2PT conversion in the same scenario that TB needed a FG, a successful onside kick, and a touchdown (with no 2PT conversion). What the hell are you talking about?

Marvin Harrison Jr. doesn’t look right tonight.

Need a giant comeback from the midget, here.

Harbaugh might have a Heart Attack

What in the the mother **** kind of penalty was that?!?!

Wow I didn’t know you could only attempt two onside kicks.

Cardinals in range now.

Apparently the Alex Smiffs Chiefs are the only team that can be beaten by a barrage of field goals

The Cardinals better not score the TD.

Chargers gonna Charger :)

If the NFL has put a limit on onside kicks (which I had no idea about and apparently neither did anybody on TB), that changes the analysis entirely. The Bucs truly had no chance at all then and Bowles should be destroyed for what he did.

Don't like this playing for a field goal shit. Should've given it to Conner.

TB should have sat their guys earlier in the 4th. It would have been a HISTORIC comeback, like the shit Peyton ****ing Manning pulled off against Tampa 21 years ago.

God damn, I literally have all the statistics behind what I'm saying for the love god.

I'm done here. This is ridiculous.

Yeah they basically needed two miracle TDs with no TOs AND the Ravens to fumble the kickoff or a kneeldown.

Suck it Bolts.

Suck it Chargers.

{snicker}

**** off, Harbaugh.

ROFL **** the Chargers

Justin Herbert is now 33–36 as a starter.

There was less than 1:30 let in that game, not 2 minutes. Didn't know about the 2-onsides kick limit rule, but the coaches should've known.

I always love to see the Chargers lose!

Love seeing Harbaugh cry. ������

Yes, yes, yes, and yes!

3 up in this division!

Marvin Harrison is looking lost. There was no reason to jump for the ball on the sideline that got the unnecessary roughness penalty. The very next play he is jogging down the field instead of blocking for Connor, who ran right past him.

The only scenario I was referring to is the one in which Godwin got hurt (down 10 points with two minutes to go in comparison to SF being down 16 with 2 minutes to go). Under that scenario, in normal circumstances, they would have had a much better chance than the 49ers did.

Of course, that was under the assumption that they could actually attempt an onside kick. The new rule indicates they couldn't and I guarantee Bowles had no idea about that.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Getting clarity here. <br><br>There is NO limit to onside kicks attempted. Has to be in 4th quarter and you have be trailing, but other than that you can do as many onside kicks as you&#39;d like. <br><br>One of the rule proposals had a limit of two onside kick attempts, but it didn&#39;t pass.</p>&mdash; Peter Schrager (@PSchrags) <a href="https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/1848572428563185897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Okay this makes more sense.

So no limit after all then? Well Bowles is in the clear then (unless people want to similarly rake Shanahan and virtually every other coach in the league over the coals for doing the same thing in that spot).

I had heard in the Preseason you could only attempt 2 in a row but could do as many as you want. Who knows what the real rule is, the teams I guess didn't either.

Dan Orlovski has to be the worst football anal.yst on TV. Harrison's head was smashed on that penalty call and yet he saw nothing wrong there? That's the type of hit NFL fines you for. It was a pure helmet on helmet hit. No shoulder pads involved.

Lol @LAC. That's what happens when you don't have a credible offense. Shitty teams can beat you even if you are strangling them with your defense.

I didn't either and I fully oppose that rule with all of my being. What kind of bullshit rule is that? If you need 3 onside kicks to make a miraculous comeback, why the hell shouldn't you be allowed to attempt the 3rd one? Holy cow the rules committee on the NFL makes some mind-boggling reeruned choices.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hey all here is the rule book regarding Onside Kicks. There is no limit if you’re trailing in the 4th quarter.<br><br>Sorry if there was misinformation shared. Google has an article with misinformation cached that is returning erroneous results <a href="https://t.co/54Iks6PWrp">pic.twitter.com/54Iks6PWrp</a></p>&mdash; Sam Schwartzstein (@schwartzsteins) <a href="https://twitter.com/schwartzsteins/status/1848575733310099583?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's Google with their botched AI search results. Hard to believe what a disaster their search engine has become.

Thank goodness. That was really irritating believing that rule existed.

Two great outcomes tonight. San Diego lost. The Suckaneers will be facing the Chiefs in two weeks without Godwin and Evans.

RIP Godwin's leg/knee/foot

Initial word is he dislocated his ankle.

twitter tards all blaming the Buccs coach. YOU DONT PLAY STARTERS WHEN DOWN BY 10 WITH 43 SECONDS LEFT


like yes they do they always have lol

According to some stats nerd, they had less than a 1% chance of winning the game at that point, and Evans had already popped his hammy. And we've seen teams basically wave the white flag in far less difficult situations, right?


Also says something when Troy/Buck are both wondering out loud just what Bowles thought he was doing. Or the fact that Harbaugh and even Lamar and Derrick were looking at the TB sideline with obvious "wtf are they doing" looks on their faces.


When I was a kid I learned a phrase: "don't go chasing rainbows." Bowles needed to assess the situation, the fact that his defense was gassed, the fact that recovering yet a third onsides kick was mathematically pretty close to zero, that he had no TOs and less than 1:30 left and was down two scores.

And just a couple years ago, McVay did exactly the same thing and got Kupp injured for the season, and even he said afterwards that he made a critical mistake keeping Kupp/Stafford and the other skill players in what was a lost game. According to McVay that decision cost him the rest of the 2021 season.

It was a dumb decision by Bowles, especially so because it was a non-Conference game, with a Divisional game vs. ATL coming up next week that is a must-win for TB.

If the Chiefs clinch the one seed before Week 18 do they rest starters two weeks?

With the way injuries have gone this year how can you not?

not really, I can't think of any teams that are pulling their starters in that situtation

Screw google. Use Duck Duck Go.

You don't have to pull your starters if you just don't use your timeouts when the Ravens have the ball.

And yeah most teams keep playing for the win. But the Bucs had roughly a .01%, or 1 in 10,000 chance of winning. Their odds of someone having a catastrophic injury are several orders of magnitude greater than that.

Coaches should be smarter about doing this shit in week 7.

and if they benched the starters and conceded fans would have been saying "you always play to win, a 0.01% chance is still a chance!

I'm not trying to say it isn't smart to pull the starters, it just rarely happens in the NFL

49ers had a worse chance on Sunday in the last two minutes than the Bucs and did the same thing.

It’s really nothing unusual.

If nothing else, you gotta pad the stats of your overpriced QB. Dak Prescott is the king of padding stats in those situations.

player incentives on contracts :D

Duck Duck Go search results aren't nearly as good as Google's

What team has ever waved the white flag? That doesn't happen. They only needed a FG and TD to tie and had the ball.

lol I searched "Songs that David Bowie wrote for other artists" and the AI said "Don't You Forget About Me was written for Simple Mnds but they passed on it"

Not only was that song Simple Minds' biggest hit by far, it was also written by their guitarist and their producer

He's bad. Every 5 years or so ESPN will pick somebody to be one of their faces for coversge for the next five years so they don't have to pay whoever the current face is. Now they don't have to pay almost anybody anything.

Just some political whining by the original quoted poster.

Be a man and use askjeeves.

lol. Askjeeves did cross my mind when I made my post.
Made some quick money off the stock many, many years ago

Baker isn’t overpriced. But yes, Dak definitely is and is a huge stat padder.

I still see people arguing the last couple minutes, and not realizing that TB was down 23 with less than 4 minutes left. They should have sat everyone well before the Godwin injury.

Win probability was less than .1% at that point according to historic metrics (real data).

You are looking at it happening once every 20 years+. Every single NFL game played.

But yay, they managed to get win probability to .5%, and lost an excellent wide receiver in the process.

Congratulations.

Chiefs fan would be beside ourselves with anger if that happened in one of our games.

Probably but ALL TEAMS would do exactly what the Bucs did.

I know this much from last night. The Chargers and Bucs are not getting the SB trophy this season.

It happens all the time. You don’t use your TOs. You run the ball 3 times in a row. Sometimes they simply pull the QB. Whatever. What do you think is happening when a team refuses to use their TOs at the end of a game?

Didn't see anybody criticizing Shanahan for doing the same thing in an even worse situation on Sunday down 16. There was nothing unusual about what Bowles did.

Bowels waved the white flag in the playoffs last year against the Lions. This time he didn't and hopefully it costs him his job.

The only people that are praising Bowels are people that like him and don't care about the Bucs.

I think he’s generally a moron in terms of his game management but he did nothing out of the ordinary in playing for points there.

Run the ball 3 times when you're only down 10 points? That doesn't ever happen ever. Yeah maybe they won't use timeouts down 3+ possessions when the other team has the ball with less than 2 minutes, but that's not even close to the same situation.