Time for ROUND 2!!!! Any takers on last night's roundtable?

TheFly-

I thought Round 2 came out essentially as a stalemate. Although I have already voiced my support for the Democratic candidate, I will try to be as objective as possible... no surprises here. Both candidates played to their strengths. Bush came across as friendlier and more personable, it seemed to me. However Gore generally looked sharper with the specific issues (I was cracking up when he asked Bush "why couldn't you move up from 50th to, say, 45th in health care coverage." http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif

Mark-
calls 'em as he sees 'em.

Last night the American people finally got a chance to see the George Bush that Texans know and love.

He's accomplished a heck of a lot here and is the only person in Texas history to be elected back to back. That should tell us something.

Much of his success here is based on bringing people together, regardless of differences in: race, political party, age, or education.

He is an intelligent man that has real core beliefs (that don't change with every poll), and he is passionate about education and the future of our children.

Luz
i'm think this came through for anybody that wanted to see...

BTW, most (if not all) the polls have Bush winning by a large margin.

Luz
the gore campaign is i trouble...

1) Did you know I nailed number 400?

2) I think the debate went well. They actually tried to answer the questions put to them instead of instantly falling back on campaign rhetoric.

3) I think the healthcare in Texas has a long way to go, but then again what we don't know was whether it has improved while Bush was in office. It might be 50th, but did he try to improve it or not is the question.

4) I'm "sipping" vodka while home with a nasty chest cold... Probably influencing my thinking...<BR>

This, like the first one, I did not watch because they are a waste of time.

As far as 'improving' healthcare, please dont tell me that Gore's idea of 'improving' healthcare is via Government control (aka 'Investment in Healthcare).

Fly,

Actually, we do know that healthcare coverage improved under Bush.

As he stated last night, the percentage of children without coverage has shrunk, while at the same time on a national level it is rising.

Does anybody really think it was fair of Gore to use rankings that were based on absolute numbers (Texas is the second largest state) when he knows the reality is that Texas is outperforming just about everybody when it comes to percentages?

Also left unsaid, is that Texas suffers from a tremendous amount of illegal immigration which it can't do anything about (that's a Federal Issue). Still, we manage to educate and take care of the health of these people and their children. Pretty amazing actually.

Luz
it is a mistake for gore to go after bush about texas ~ he has a great record there...

No KCTitus, he haas flip flopped on that too (or at least he says he flip flopped ~ which is worse, to support socialism or to be known as a flip flopper?).

Luz
i think he's both...

Luz, thanks for the info on the healthcare. Being in Southern California I can strongly identify with the immigration influence and demands that places on public services.

It is hard to give kids an education and appropriate health services when you don't understand each other...

Still, glad to hear Texas is trying to take care of these folks, in spite of the fact the feds do practically nothing for them...<BR>

Fly, as always, you're welcome.

One other bit of interesting info that you might appreciate. Bush was overwhelmingly re-elected as Governor with over 50% of the Hispanic vote!

He also had 26% of the black vote!

Luz
i think that speaks volumes...

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How long do you think it will take before my life is improved in some way, if GWB takes office?

Luz....

I appreciate you pointing out the fact that Texas is the second largest state in the Union, and how this will scew the facts that Gore is stating about Texas being the 49th state in rankings. It seems to me that Gore is still trying to use incomplete thruths to win voters. Bush clearly defends this issue by stating that his state is improving in percentage decline vs. the federal level at which the percentages are growing.

Another similar tact is when Gore states that it is not true that all Americans are getting tax cuts under Bush's plan. There is a small truth to his statement, but only if you include those that are not currently getting taxed anyhow. They will not get a tax cut, because they are not paying taxes.

It amazes me how the Gore camp tries to make Bush look like the bad guy using these bent facts. It does not surprise me though, because this administration (Clinton/Gore)is still trying to figure out what the real definition of is, is. http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/tongue.gif


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I think G-Dubya did exactly what he had to last night, maintain credibility and project a level of comfort and and confidence. For all Gore's talk of wanting the stay on the issues, because he has a better position on them, I feel there is/was a vast segement of the American population who identified with Dubya's stated positions, but retained judgement until they could see some sign that 1) he was genuine in his positions, and 2) he appeared up to the job.
How many posting on here have referred to "the lesser of two evils" or "evil [Gore] -vs- stupid [Bush]" when indicating their position? the Gore people were counting on the debates solidfying the "stupid factor" for once and for all.
Instead, debate after debate shows Bush believes what he says, is confident in his abilities and has a sufficient mental grasp to discuss and debate the issues.
meanwhile, Gore has made no inroads on the "evil factor." His first debate performance really opened a lot of people's eyes to it and his humbled appearance last night hamstrung him from effectively debating.

Clint,

I think that is the entire point of the election.

You have truly asked the most critical question ~ seriously.

The answer is that George Bush is NEVER going to make your life better...

...but he will make sure that no one or anything keeps YOU from making it better.

He'll make sure that you have every opportunity to improve your live AND will: prevent government from throwing up roadblocks, prosecute people that hold you back based on your race, let you keep more of your money so you can design your life and your future, and give you choices about healthcare, RXs, and schools for your children.

He will trust you to know more what's better for yourself and your family than government does.

Luz
in a nutshell...

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JC I agree with your statements. I too believe that people are actually seeing past the media. The results of the polls between the first and the second debates are a small indicator that Bush probably did better in the first debate than the media would like to admit. After this debate I think the polls will show Bush winning even more of the vote. This debate will re-inforce what a lot of people probably saw in the first debate- George W. Bush is a credible, smart, likeable candidate for the President of the United States.

I must admit that I was a little shocked to see the media actually conceding a Bush win in this debate. I guess without the pouting from Gore and the focus on the questions at hand, it was hard for the media to spin this debate in Gore's favor.

Anyone else think it was funny that the media was all over the Saturday Night Live parody and mentioned that Gore was made to watch it by his peers. Kind of like your mom recording you having a fit on the floor and then showing it to you to show you what an a$# you were making of yourself.

Now that is funny!