I think it's a fair statement to say that KU wants no part of Mizzou right now. MU is playing THAT good at this point.

I hate this belief that the Big 10 is great. That conference is garbage. Outside of OSU and MSU the other "ranked" teams would get absolutely abused in either the Big XII, ACC, or BE. I think that conference is way, way too overrated.

You don't really watch Missouri, do you?

What are you doing, fishing for Billays?

That's reeruned... just about everyone on both sides wanted a rematch, and all of a sudden KU fans are afraid of Missouri? LMAO

And yeah, rival fans root against their rivals... I think it's kind of lame, like seeing MU fans show up at BWW to actively root for UNI or VCU, and then cheer as KU fans leave... dumb.

Would have loved to have kept winning, but I can't say I'm too broken up about "ending" the rivalry with that awesome game at AFH.

I was there. Wasn't rooting for any team in particular, I just wanted to see a good game. We almost had one at the end before Baylor decided to mindlessly foul after finally getting it to 5 with 2:30 left.

Every game that MU has lost was because they started settling almost entirely for jumpers and they started missing them.

Kind of like the KU fans that showed up to the championship game that were rooting for Baylor?

Watched them three times live this weekend. It didn't change my opinion that they're predominantly a jump-shooting team (albeit a very efficient one). The stats also show this.

I'll check with my friends that live in the alternative universes where that happened.

You won't mind if I check in the alternative universes where MU didn't win the tournament as well, will you?

If you are going to speculate about potentialities, you have to accept all potentialities. Including the really bizarre ones (and that's where the real fun begins).

Yeah, that's what I was replying to in his post. ;)

You know what? **** Kansas for not making it to the championship game. This place, the whole CITY, needed to see that game. Assholes.

On Friday night, the MU band was clapping and cheering whenever the Baylor band played a song or whenever the Baylor team scored. I found that funny (especially when you consider that it would have been better for MU if they had beaten KU again as opposed to simply Baylor).

I can't stand watching it... the style of play evens the playing field, so I've always thought of it as a lot of mediocrity, while the media sees it as conference depth, since anyone can beat anyone (except Nebraska). And the style does work in the tournament, unfortunately.

Hey, I'm late to the thread.

Who won the tourney again?...

All 4 of them? Please disregard the 30 wins.

ROFL

Yes, the four of them. You do realize it just takes one bad shooting game just like those other ones for the season to be over at this point, right?

Thanks, Captain Obvious. There are 68 teams that this statement applies to, yours included.

I'm talking about your observation that we rely on the jump shot because we missed some in 4 games this year.

I'm trying and not succeeding to find the stats for point in the paint for Mizzou in this tourney. It is shockingly high, I'm sure.

Pussies. And then downgrade the importance of winning. Guess Beakers are happy to have lost to Baylor to save them from being exposed

Of course. Any bad game whatsoever knocks you out. But not every team's offense is nearly as focused on hitting the jump shot as MU. That was the point.

Mizzou outscored Baylor in the paint and made 25 free throws. We were driving to the hoop all game. Our offense is guard oriented, but all our guards drive to the hoop, can finish, and draw fouls.

Wow everyone is going down today.

But, but KenPom said...

Proof that we rely on the jump shot.


OK. State Field Goal Selection
Layups: 22-30
Jumpers: 11-27
Dunks: 4-5

Texas Field Goal Selection
Layups: 14-24
Jumpers: 14-30
Dunks: 1-3


Baylor Field Goal Selection
Layups: 15-20
Jumpers: 12-31
Dunks: 3-5

LMAO

Pete.....Braincase is right. He was very gracious when we won yesterday.

39.5% of the shots that MU takes are 3 pointers. That's the 14th highest percentage out of 345 teams in the NCAA and the highest in the B12.

You're a jump shooting team. Own it, don't argue against facts.

This is still the best thing posted in this thread.

They didn't hold out anyone they wouldn't have under any other situation. They held them out because they were hurt, not lame.

No, if their seasons were on the line, Kelly and Henson would have been playing this week. They didn't because these games are largely meaningless to them.

But we don't rely on it.

BTW, do you have a link to that stat?

You're welcome?

Maybe they just take the open look. And you would agree that sitting back on the threes opens up the lnae later in the games, no?


And really, label them whatever you want. Whoever they are and however they're doing it is working.

Interestingly enough, if you talk with intelligible B1G 10 fans, they will tell you that the conference is overrated. Most will point to OSU and MSU as the power teams.

Mizzou is a very efficient offensive team. Not about to rip them for shooting "too many jumpers".

Neither Kelly nor Henson would have been able to effectively play and contribute positively. Might even have been a liability.

You can't make the assertion they were held out because the tourney wasn't "important"

Getting open looks from the perimeter is what their offense is all about. They are incredible at doing so. But if they don't hit those shots, they are at an enormous risk of an upset.

You wouldn't be able to see it on Pomeroy's site without a subscription. I've also made a huge mistake in reading it. 37.5% of your shots come on 3s (not 39.5)....which is 74th out of 345 and 2nd in the B12 (behind Iowa State). Still a significant jump-shooting offense, but not as much as I thought.

I smell a name change to KenPom Whisperer in the near future for a certain Beaker.

KU fans spin shit worse than the ****ing White House

FYP

You can't know this.

They were held out specifically because the conference tournaments aren't as important to them as next week.

I seem to remember that they are th #1 most efficient offense in the nation, even better than Kentucky.

But that doesn't matter...all it takes is one game where our shots don't fall and we are screwed.

Wait....what do you mean that the same analogy applies to any team in the tournament? Surely this applies only to MU,:rolleyes:

Yes, it's black and white... no way it might matter more for MU than other teams.... any stat that shows MU might be vulnerable must be cherry-picking spin by some butthurt Beaker.

I'd like to see how the entire conference is rated. If Mizzou is at 37.5% and everyone else is in the 20's %-wise, then you have a point. My guess is that it is more like 37.5, 36, 35.5, 34, 33, etc.

In other words, not a real significant difference.

If you can get an open look at a 3 in Missouri's offense with their efficiency, you might as well take it, yes.


No doubt. But the NCAA tournament crapshoot is the great equalizer. An entire season of games comes down to whether your players can make their 3s or not.

Lunardi has Kentucky, Syracuse, UNC, and the Big Ten winner as the 1 seeds... someone else is making a case for Mizzou.


(watching espn)

I can't know this any more than you know for sure the opposite.

Iowa St: 42.2%
MU: 37.5%
OSU: 35.8%
Baylor: 31.9%
Texas: 31.1%
Kansas: 30.5%
KSU: 29.7%
A&M: 29%
Tech: 27.1%
OU: 21.9%

MU takes a lot of jump shots. Mostly open ones, but jump shots nonetheless.

When was the last time an 7 loss team got a 1 seed? I wonder if it has ever happened.

MSU's metrics look good but when you look at their entire body of work, it's not as impressive as I would have expected for them to be getting so much 1 seed hype.

If MU gets a 1 they won't be in St. Louis. What is more important?

You don't know that.

Nope...just trying to point out that the observation what is being said as a liability for MU is just as much one for any team in the tourney.

And I challenge you to find where I have ever called, inferred, or mentioned butthurt beaker in my comments.

They might not get St. Louis if KU takes the 2 seed in that region... going to be interesting.

Didn't the Royboys lose today?

Isn't Kentucky a sure-thing for StL?

doesn't matter... all of those teams lost their tourney

Hmmm....wonder what team in the Top 10 didn't lose this week?

(Yes I know OSU and MSU haven't played yet)

No. They could easily get the Atlanta region instead. The distance from Lexington to Atlanta and St. Louis is practically the same, and UK would be in the heart of SEC country.

This should wreck the BCS Standings once and for all!!

I think its bs that the big 10 teams are getting rep for a 1 seed.

OK, a pretty clear delineation between ISU/Mizzou/OSU and everyone else.

I still contend that we do not rely entirely on treys. A significant percentage of our points come from layups and free throws from our guards.

Our bigger worry, is that we start chucking up more threes that miss instead of running our offense and looking for opportunities for the wide-open three or to drive for the layup or find Ricardo for the easy points.

That's what happened in AFH. It wasn't because we were missing our shots. It was because we took poor shots.

It's just amusing to see you guys shoot down most of what KCC posts, like he's seriously grasping at straws to make MU look bad.... he even admitted to making a mistake that only kenpom subscribers could have called him out on.

If KU has a bad shooting night, they can grind it out and win ugly... can Mizzou? It's a serious question... I've only watched a handful of their games, so I don't really know. I've seen Kansas grind it out many times... it's something I worried about with Roy, but not with Bill Self.

Too much politics for UNC not to get the Atlanta region. I would love to see the Committee be less political but face it, that's not going to change....ever.

Bank on Syracuse getting the North....UNC getting the Atlanta region, Kentucky getting the Midwest region, and KU/OSU/MSU going west.

Sucks...but the basketball crones aren't going to change anything.

The problem is that 3 pointers are much more of a lottery than anything any other kind of offense.

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/web..._is_a_lottery/

Why would they get the most favorable region for them when they'd be the 4th #1?

From what I've watched, it seems like the biggest difference between this MU team and previous years... they don't take as many quick/stupid shots. They seem to understand that you can have that 3 point shot from the top of the key any time you want, so don't make it the first thing you after crossing halfcourt.

But, if they struggle on offense in the tournament (and with the pressure that comes with the tournament), it'll be interesting to see how long they stick with it (not to imply they won't... just that it'll be interesting to watch ;) ).

Yeah, that's pretty much what I just said.

That will be the key if we struggle shooting early on. We MUST stay in our offense and do what's worked all season.

No, damnit, I want to argue!! Missouri is going to miss a layup early in the game next Friday and will start taking half court shots!!! Deal with it!

The part I find interesting is that you assert that KU can survive a bad shooting night. But frankly I don't agree.....can they do it better than MU because they have Robinson down low? Sure...but what happens if Robinson's malaise play like he had in the tourney continues? Then all you become is a lesser version of MU.

One thing I want to see is if Robinson's style of play gets him more fouls in the tourney. I could see an official from a conference that plays a finesse style call more fouls on Robinson....and if that happens you guys are screwed. Withey folds like a wet cardboard box when challenged (see both MU games for examples) and you have no one else down low.

What if the Tyshawn Taylor that throws the ball away and plays uncontrolled shows up again? And Elijah Johnson? Do you really want to rely on him? He is as up and down as a teeter-totter.

I can see MU's warts....and acknowledge that a team with power on the blocks is trouble for them. And all it takes is an injury/foul trouble to put MU in trouble.

The problem is when you run into a team that is able to prevent some of the drives and take away Ratliffe's offense game. MU has struggled at times against the two best defensive teams they've played (KU and KSU) and there are about 10-20 teams in the tournament as good defensively as them. There's a possibility they'll be forced into hitting those jump shots and if they aren't making them, that's real trouble.

1. Again, you are making assumptions. You don't know that they'd be the fourth 1 seed. There are strong arguments being made by national analysts for six teams to be 1 seeds.

2. The committee looks at geography and competitive balance for the top seeds instead of sticking to a strict S-curve. It could easily work out to putting Mizzou as a 1 seed in the Midwest if that's what works best.

How many times have you posted this? I've read it a million times now....

So what do you do? Decide to stop shooting 3's? That insane....

If we decide to do away with 3's what do you do...build a team that is good at layups since they are the only "sure" thing?

So let me ask you...what does KU do if Robinson get's into foul problems? That completely changes KU's strength.....

It's the 2nd time, I think. It is relevant to what you were saying, though, so I'm not understanding the problem.

No, you don't decide to change your entire offense. I'm just explaining to you why teams that shoot a lot of jump shots are at risk. If they have a bad shooting game, there is little to fall back on.

Most are talking about them as a 2. You think they'll be the 1st, 2nd or 3rd #1. I don't. You're right, I'm assuming, but it's a pretty logical assumption.

So they ignore how far a team is from home? They know it'd be a competitive advantage for MU to be in St. Louis. They take it all into consideration.

They probably lose. But he doesn't play defense at all, so he really shouldn't get into foul trouble. If he does, it will have been because he made a few stupid plays.

The only team they really struggled with was KSU....they had our number. We were in both games with KU so you can't say we struggled. If we had lost by 15 then I could buy your assertion.

Don't put words in my mouth just because you have no idea what you're talking about. I never predicted Mizzou would be a 1 seed because I have no idea what the committee will do. But I can absolutely see a scenario where Mizzou gets the 1 seed in the Midwest. That's it.

The committee tries to give the top 4 seeds an advantage in terms of geography, but it doesn't work perfectly according to the S-curve every time. If a choice comes down to having two top seed fanbases having to travel extensively or just one fanbase, they could opt for just one, like shipping UNC out to Phoenix.