Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10694181)

It's sort of like asking whether Dan Marino would win more titles with the Patriots than Brady would have, yeah. Didn't you ask me that?

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10694184)

The NBA is being played at a higher level than it ever has been. The athletes are far bigger, stronger, and faster than they were 30 years ago. Evolution of sport.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10694195)

Yeah. Look at all those elite centers in the game today LMAO

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10694043)

However the NBA is planning to rig this so the Heat will win must be pretty ****ing epic. Can't wait.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 10694176)

This series yeah he didn't get any help from his teammates for the most part but these were the same guys that won 2 championships. The Spurs just wanted it more.

If he wanted to win so bad he should have accepted $1 million a year and went to SA or maybe Boston. It is not like he didn't have choices.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10694161)

You said "that's all that needs to be said," though, so it must be the only measurement. And it must be done with no context.


Dropping a Kobe comp is the pure definition of that, I'm afraid. MJ and LeBron are in a different stratosphere as basketball players.


Because making the outcome of this series a referendum on LeBron's entire career and legacy is really as silly as it gets (especially if you watched the games and saw why the Heat lost). The guy is 29. He has a long way to go yet, many records left to break, and likely several more titles left to win.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 10694048)

Again Jordan's teams were far deeper than these Heat teams. Those Bulls teams had very few weaknesses.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10694191)

And there you go again with your "he had good statistics, therefore he probably would have delivered in the clutch" assumptions.

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss (Post 10694072)

****, I hate this city.

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 10694089)

Good for the Spurs though. A team centric team that isn't a media darling making it work. Quite a statement.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 10694206)

And one championship they were a missed FT from losing. The Heat relied too heavily on the Big 3 and failed to build around them. They let their role players age and chose not to replace them. When two of the Big 3 fail to show up you have a recipe for the three blowouts against a better all around team.

He could take a pay cut to go elsewhere, no doubt. But he is worth his salary, Wade and Bosh and Allen by no means were.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10694184)

The NBA is being played at a higher level than it ever has been. The athletes are far bigger, stronger, and faster than they were 30 years ago. Evolution of sport.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10694215)

Brady hasn't delivered in the clutch in 10 years with some very, very good teams. I suspect Marino would have.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 10694224)

I disagree about their role players. They didn't let them aged they were already aged when they signed them because that is all they could afford. Battier, Mike Miller, Allen, Lewis are all on their last legs

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 10694207)

When comparing these 2 players championships won and lost will end up probably being the deciding factor because they have similar stats. That is what I mean.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10694233)

You seem really confident about an answer you have no idea about. Marino wasn't clutch with his current team. It is a ridiculous projection to assume that he would be clutch with a different team. It's very possible that like Peyton Manning, Marino would have taken the team far and played poorly in the playoffs. You just don't know that. Which is why it's ridiculous to project how underachieving players would play if on a better team.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10694249)

Really it all boils down to that Wade didn't play to the level he needed to.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10693511)

Looks like the NBA wants a game 6.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10694249)

Really it all boils down to that Wade didn't play to the level he needed to.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10694215)

Brady hasn't delivered in the clutch in 10 years with some very, very good teams. I suspect Marino would have.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10694266)

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 10694259)

He didn't get the calls that he is used to.

That pretty much sums up his game.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10694275)

Not quite. He can't jump or move anything like he used to. He's in a massive decline.

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10694245)

Hey **** you guys and your LBJ vs. Jordan discussion.

The Spurs dynasty just won another championship.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10694240)

Marino played with a team that gave him no help. Brady has had a ton. It is a critical difference between them.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10694289)

Oh good god, fine. Montana and Brady would have been chumps on Marino's Dolphins team. Marino would have won eleventy billion super bowls with the Patriots because all he needed was help. Big Ben and Eli Manning only won Super Bowls because of help.

You seem to think there's this magic equation where you put great players on great teams and *click* everything works. You don't know if Marino had 4th quarter magic. You don't know if he'd show up in big games. You don't even know if he'd fit the system.

Claiming Marino would have won Super Bowls in New England is absolutely bonkers. You have no idea. I have no idea. How can you be so damn confident about something you can't possibly know?

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10694273)

Brady fan? LMAO

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10694288)

they arent really a dynasty just a really good team that won some chips here and there!

The big D gets thrown around to much 3 in a row or more then you can call it that.

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10694293)

LMAO lakers fan is lakers fan.

99, 03, 05,07, & 14 and making the playoffs every year is a dynasty.

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10694288)

they arent really a dynasty just a really good team that won some chips here and there!

The big D gets thrown around to much 3 in a row or more then you can call it that.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10694299)

You're right, though, there is no "truth"to such hypotheticals, just as there's no real "truth" in comparing players from different eras. It's all subjective.

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10694293)

LMAO lakers fan is lakers fan.

99, 03, 05,07, & 14 and making the playoffs every year is a dynasty.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10694292)

2007 Brady gives Patriots the lead with 2:45 to go
2011 Brady has Patriots in lead, makes pass that would be easy first down and likely game ender, ball is dropped by Welker. That's followed up by a Branch drop.


Saying he hasn't won a SB is one thing. Throwing out that bullshit about not being clutch is another.

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10694298)

nope, thats a really good team. Not a dynasty! thats nonsense! If we wanna go through there, then the Lakers been a Dynasty since i was born then! They been to the finals something like 14 times in my 37 years on this earth thats like once ever 3 years and some change.

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss (Post 10694304)

No successful title defense = no dynasty

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss (Post 10694304)

No successful title defense = no dynasty

Originally Posted by Boondocksaint (Post 10694302)

Um 14 straight years of 50 wins or more and 5 nba titles is a dynasty dude

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10694310)

Enjoying all the honking?

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss (Post 10694314)

People must bars haven't closed yet.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10694309)

Spurs aren't what you think of as a dynasty in true sense. Just a really damn good consistent franchise.

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10694316)

One of my best friends lives in SA. He said they are closing streets downtown because it's so crazy

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss (Post 10694322)

Wouldn't mind a few hundred drunk spurs fans to find the bottom of the riverwalk

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10694324)

LMAO too bad for you it's only like 4 ft deep.

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss (Post 10694332)

Truth.

Oh well. 4 meaningless wins against SA was still nice. Melo, Harden, and Howard to rape next year?

Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10694334)

Nope. Timmy will get that elusive back to back.

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss (Post 10694332)

Truth.

Oh well. 4 meaningless wins against SA was still nice. Rondo, Harden, and Howard to rape next year?

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10694337)

Try Rondo instead. :evil:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10694291)

Straw men. Straw men everywhere.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10694309)

Spurs aren't what you think of as a dynasty in true sense. Just a really damn good consistent franchise.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10694341)

You're the one making the straw men by making the ridiculous statement that a QB who barely won any playoff games suddenly can outquarterback one of the most successful playoff QBs in our generation.

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss (Post 10694349)

At least we don't have to hear Hamas whining about the MVP award. Nobody gonna look back and give a shit. At least Durant got 2 against SA

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10694346)

Has the NBA rigged the series to get LeBron a ring yet like GloryDayz said? They sure are dragging their feet on this.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10694346)

Has the NBA rigged the series to get LeBron a ring yet like GloryDayz said? They sure are dragging their feet on this.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 10694234)

Battier and Allen were still solid players during this four years (until this finals). They let Miller walk and Lewis was a questionable signing. They brought in no one young and relied too much on a broken down Wade, LeBron, and an overrated Bosh.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10694236)

LeBron's legacy is a long, long way from being decided, which makes the statement even more ridiculous. It's not going to be determined at age 29 by losing with a bunch of shells against a far superior team.


If LeBron gets to play with a prime Shaq caliber player for 3 years, I suspect he'd win 3 more titles. But only a troll or delusional Kobe fan would refer to Kobe and LeBron as equals in terms of basketball, they're not all that close. That became obvious years ago.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 10694369)

I don't understand why being critical of Lebron has to make you a troll. I admit I said a couple things to get the Lebron fans going, but for the most part there's nothing wrong with saying he's the most physically gifted player the NBA has ever seen and will go down as one of the all-time greats, but he's not on MJ's level and probably never will be. He was the only guy that truly came to play for The Heat, but he took part in the shitty defense, most of his points came in one quarter every game, he didn't remain aggressive throughout either game, he didn't play well in the 4th q's, he got outplayed by Leonard, and he averaged more turnovers than assits. There's some room for criticism whether you like it or not.

It's funny how quickly the Heat went from one of the all-time greatest teams to Lebron has no help. The rest of his team did play like shit for the most part, but since he handpicked this team and made a spectacle out of it I could care less for the excuses. He told the world they were going to win 7+. He put those expectations on himself and now it's a shocker that some people want to critique his very good, but not quite dominant performance?

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10694373)

trolll! his careeer isnt done yet!!!!!!!!!!! lol


Wade needed to bring something this series and had absolutely nothing! He needed to step up and be the wade of old for at least a half a game and couldnt do ANYTHING. Wade's is pretty much done.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 10694378)

Yea and he's already backpedaling on his previous comment about staying in Miami. If he leaves again his legacy is officially ruined.

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10694380)

Wade's only 32 too. Yeah maybe he shouldn't be 26 year old Wade anymore... but it's like he fell off a cliff. We hear all about how athletes are bigger, faster, better now. Wade looks like he's toast... Bosh is 30 and he isn't the same player either.

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10694382)

I seen something on tv, dont know if it was NBA network or what, maybe it was foxsports1. Anyways, they were talking about how Bosh said he cant really post up anymore and bang inside as he just cant do it much anymore. thats bad.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10694351)

It's quite a bit like definitively making statements about players from different eras when there is no real answer, isn't it? LMAO

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10694202)

6'11, 7'0 guys don't plant their ass on the block anymore. The game has involved where all guys can shoot and dribble now. Sorry that chaps your ass.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10694400)

You did just watch the NBA finals right and one of great post men ever? LMAO

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10694401)

yeah, but he's gonna be a thing of the past very soon. once he's gone, the only person left is who that can really play the post David West and he's getting up in age too. He's also not nearly and elite player. They are all gone outside of Tim.

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10694407)

Griffin is good in the post but he is so good in open court people forget that. Reminds me a lot of The Mailman and he is starting to develop that jumper like Karl did later on.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 10694372)

Unless Lebron wins about 6 more titles the debate for GOAT is pretty much over.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10694434)

So now we're back to it being the only real factor and making definitive statements without context. OK, then. LMAO