Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9320403)

:insert snarky Arrowhead Pride/Gang Signs comment here:

I think Geno's race is a detractor for him. There just haven't been that many true pro-style/pure passer black QBs (Leftwich? JaPorky?) and people are slow to adjust.

Different is weird, and weird is bad (for most).

Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320559)

Well that's just blatantly racist. I guess you missed what Russell Wilson and Robert Griffin did this season.

Warren Moon? Donovan McNabb? Steve McNair?

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9320566)

and you are just stupid.

are any of them pocket passers?

Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320570)

Moon, McNabb, and McNair were. Just because you can run doesn't automatically preclude you from being a pocket passer. Wilson and Griffin are both scramblers, but had a lot of success passing. Griffin had 5 interceptions, for Christ's sakes.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9320537)

From what I've seen? Yeah. Now, I didn't watch every single throw Smith made in college (like I did with Gabbert). But I have seen enough to feel confident Geno is a better prospect overall.

He doesn't match Gabbert's physical ability, not quite. But he gets more out of what he has than Gabbert. Size is similar. Smith isn't probably as straight-line fast, but he's much craftier in the pocket and uses his mobility better. Arm strength is an edge to Gabbert, but Smith's is still very good.

Biggest differences are pocket presence/accuracy. Smith has them in spades. Gabbert didn't.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9320581)

griffin and wilson arent pure pocket passers.

if you think so you are and idiot

Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320602)

Shifting the goal posts now, aren't we. They're good quarterbacks. That's the point. The moron above openly doubted whether a black player can be a good quarterback.

Please tell me you aren't so dense as to agree with him.

Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320602)

Shifting the goal posts now, aren't we. They're good quarterbacks. That's the point. The moron above openly doubted whether a black player can be a good quarterback.

Please tell me you aren't so dense as to agree with him.

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9320605)

You have some serious reading comprehension fail.

Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320602)

The moron above openly doubted whether a black player can be a good quarterback.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9320626)

No he didn't. He was talking about other people and their perception of black QBs. Not his own. And I think he's probably correct. Black QBs are often talked about in different terms than white QBs, with more focus placed on their athleticism than their skill set and in general more questioning of their intelligence and their work ethic. It's better than it used to be, but there's still a ways to go.

Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320559)

Well that's just blatantly racist. I guess you missed what Russell Wilson and Robert Griffin did this season.

Warren Moon? Donovan McNabb? Steve McNair?

Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320636)

I know what he's doing. It's still an inherently racist point. The fact that there haven't been many black quarterbacks overall clouds his judgment of the proportion that are pure passers. It's much higher than he thinks.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9320642)

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that racism is holding Smith's perception back.

People are used to stud black QBs being able to be running threats (Griffin, Wilson, McNabb, McNair - all guys with great quickness or speed or escapability or all three). When they see one who is a pure pocket passer like Smith, that racism comes in. Despite the fact that Smith is MUCH MUCH more accurate than Wilson or Glennon, people have a hard time buying it because he's black.

Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320636)

I know what he's doing.

Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect (Post 9320651)

Oh, okay. You're right. My apologies.