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Saul Good 07-23-2015 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 11613304)
Just to follow up with this because I agree with you that Haren is not a guy who would have been on my radar at all. Then I saw a little mention about him with the Royals. He's averaging 6.2 innings per start. Okay, that's nice but I don't care if you can throw a complete game every time you take the mound if you get hit hard and bleed runs.

Now, here's the possible logic in what value he could be in the rotation. He's a fly ball pitcher.
Actually, he's an extreme fly ball pitcher.

As in 2nd out of every pitcher in all of baseball. Just shy of half of his pitches that are put in play, at a little over 48%.

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I don't need to walk anyone through the same song and dance about the impact and difference of having a giant park like the K along with our defense behind him in terms of possible success.

Is he the sexy pick? Obviously not, but Dayton has a nose for spotting tons of pitchers considered mediocre who have been major contributers. We would have been screwed this year if he hadn’t signed some low key guys for depth that has turned out to be some very shrewd personnel moves.

Seriously, Volquez, Young, Madison, Medlan (maybe). Vargas and JGuts well outperformed when initially signed. The list goes on, but the evidence just mentioned is proof enough that no one is really in a position to 2nd guess Moore.

Now, who knows what he will actually do- we'll certainly find out in 9 days.

I'm almost intrigued at the idea that even if they pick up one of the marquee pitchers before the deadline, it might not be a bad idea to insure your bet and get Haren too.

He'll cost peanuts to get in a trade. The Marlins would probably accept anything because it saves cash and any future talent to add to their system is always better than nothing. Plus, I doubt that many if any other teams are reaching out to inquire about him very seriously.

I like it because it also replaces Vargas, and they are then able to send Ventura down to get his head and mechanics straight. I honestly think that some time in Omaha is necessary for him to reevaluate and get a little perspective if you have any hope of seeing the Ventura who pitched in the playoffs show back up this season.

Taking a flyer on the guy costs us literally next to nothing.

I'm surprised at how many outstanding pitchers are high on that list. It seems to go against conventional wisdon, doesn't it?

Great Expectations 07-23-2015 10:01 AM

Duffy was probably very high on the IFFB last year.

alnorth 07-23-2015 11:15 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Athletics?src=hash">#Athletics</a> trade LHP Scott Kazmir to Houston for RHP Daniel Mengden and C Jacob Nottingham; recall RHP Arnold Leon</p>&mdash; Oakland Athletics (@Athletics) <a href="https://twitter.com/Athletics/status/624265906118463488">July 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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KChiefs1 07-23-2015 11:16 AM

Kazmir to Houston.

Reaper16 07-23-2015 11:17 AM

*insert Joker "and here we go" meme*

Dartgod 07-23-2015 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 11613429)
*insert Jack Shit meme*

FYP

Al Bundy 07-23-2015 11:21 AM

Good deal for Houston.

siberian khatru 07-23-2015 11:22 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> considered Nottingham solid catching prospect, probable major leaguer, a sleeper. Mengden good arm strength, sinker/slider combo.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/624267693932331008">July 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kazmir isn&#39;t THAT far behind Cueto. The Reds may not be able to ask for the moon after that deal.</p>&mdash; David Lesky (@DBLesky) <a href="https://twitter.com/DBLesky/status/624268212725809152">July 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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alnorth 07-23-2015 11:23 AM

Neither of them were in baseball america's top 100 prospects, or in Houston's top 10. They are both doing well as mid-round picks but both in the low minors.

This is about how much a 2-month rental should cost, and the Reds need to wake up to reality if this was the best the A's could do.

ChiefsCountry 07-23-2015 11:25 AM

Good fit for the Astros. Kazmir is from Houston as well.

siberian khatru 07-23-2015 11:36 AM

John Sickels had Nottingham ranked 71st in his mid-season top 75 prospects list:

71) Jacob Nottingham, C, Astros (NR): Crushing A-ball pitching at age 20, stock moving up but I want more information before going higher than this. If final reports back up the numbers, will rank much higher in three months.

Mengden was unlisted.

DeepSouth 07-23-2015 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 11613427)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Athletics?src=hash">#Athletics</a> trade LHP Scott Kazmir to Houston for RHP Daniel Mengden and C Jacob Nottingham; recall RHP Arnold Leon</p>&mdash; Oakland Athletics (@Athletics) <a href="https://twitter.com/Athletics/status/624265906118463488">July 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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A trade within their own division. Oakland did that just to spite the Angels.

Anyong Bluth 07-23-2015 11:44 AM

and so it begins. . .

siberian khatru 07-23-2015 11:54 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SP available: Hamels, Cueto, Leake, Samardzija, Haren, Latos, SD&#39;s 4, Gallardo, more. SP buyers: LAD, KC, TOR, CHC, maybe 1/2 others.</p>&mdash; Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/624275596839919618">July 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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siberian khatru 07-23-2015 11:57 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JUpton could return from minor oblique strain today, but <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Padres?src=hash">#Padres</a> might hold him out until tomorrow to be safe. Most likely SD player to go.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/624275815711305729">July 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Padres?src=hash">#Padres</a> officially are sellers. Venable, Benoit also could move, along with Kimbrel and any of SPs, with Ross perhaps least likely.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/624275821256142849">July 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Padres?src=hash">#Padres</a> biggest needs: SS and CF.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/624275873659756544">July 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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