Nice.

Just ran out of gas. I was making putts out of my ring toot the whole time.

Hope it carries to next weekend. Got a 2 day best ball with a calcutta. Hope to make some money.

Then heading to southern hills for a bachelor weekend of golf

You definitely seem to have much more knowledge that I have on what goes into the irons beyond preference. I just found it really difficult to fathom that the Eye 2 still held up like that. Searched around a bit and still surprised in a how is this possible way.

Really curious what the +/no + model means since I only remember the eye 2 and those that had the + marking near the toe.

The engineering genius of Karsten Solheim really can't be overstated. The man was an absolute marvel. If you want to extend it further, he designed the putter which is still the overwhelmingly most popular model on tour in 1966.

Supposedly, there are a few sets of Eye 2 + no + models made in BeCu (a few dozen at most, maybe apocryphal), but they were only made for members of the Solheim family or very close friends.

Pros could spin the hell out of the old Eye 2s (made from 1984-89) with boxed radiused grooves (people call them square grooves now, but the name really isn't accurate). Almost half of all tour pros played them because they were that good. In 1989, the PGA banned square grooves and Ping sued them.

As part of the settlement, existing Ping irons were grandfathered in, but those manufactured from April 1990 on could no longer have square grooves. These models are indicated by the extruded plus on the toe side of the cavity.

While the lawsuit was working itself out, Ping began producing a slight redesign of the existing Eye 2 head, with a different sole design from the 9-iron down to the wedges and stronger lofts. Clubs made from about September 1989 to April 1990 have the best of both worlds: the stronger lofts of the + series Pings that are more in line with modern loft, the new sole design in the short irons, and most importantly, the existing square grooves.

+ no + irons are immediately identifiable by looking at the 9-iron or wedge. They have a cambered sole and no extruded plus in the cavity.

These are the + no + models and are the most collectible Eye 2s out there (along with the BeCus).

The + no + wedges are so good that when the USGA enacted the new groove laws Mickelson went back to his old Eye 2 wedges because of the spin advantage it gave him. Scott McCarron called him a cheater for using them. A few months later, Ping quietly acquiesced to removing the grandfather clause, and now they no longer produce any full sets of Eye 2s.

The perimeter weighted putter was huge. The anser became a standard design for a putter even now.

Remember calling some store every day in highschool to find out when I could get the scotty cameron newport that was basically an anser.

That is a crazy bit of club history I had no idea about. When I was playing high school golf in the mid/late 90's I can't recall anyone playing eye 2s.

As you were starting to convince me these old clubs were legit I was starting to think about buying some to dick around with thinking usual eye 2 prices. How much does a set of + no + run?

That's funny. Two of the best golfers on our team in the same time period had Eye 2s.

You should be able to get a set of + no + for around $200, but my recommendation would run you a little more than that. Before the i3s came out, Ping used a tumbled finish on all of their irons. From the i3s on, they use a finish called Guyson, which is a blasted media finish.


There is a guy on ebay named llgolf. He refinishes Ping irons using the tumbled process for $13 a club, plus shipping.

I mention this for two reasons:

1) He does an absolutely masterful job

2) If you still have your ISI Nickels, Ping won't touch them. Due to EPA restrictions, they won't work on anything with beryllium in them (this includes the BeCu irons as well) due to the risk of berylliosis and cancer from the inhalation of dust particles.

Overall, I'd expect to spend about $300, but the clubs you get will look factory new. Pings are known for being nearly indestructible.

He'll take a set that looks like this:

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTAxWDc0OA...VmFiE/$_12.JPG

And when he's done, they'll look like this:

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODEzWDE2MD...VT935/$_57.JPG


From there, find a shaft that you like (Pings take a .355 taper shaft; I put TT Black Golds in them), and you're off to go.

I'm a Tiger hater. Always have been. First, I hated him for making golf so popular among folks that crammed the golf courses. Then I hated him for how popular he was with the media. Every goddam swing he hit, they had to show. Even if he was 10 strokes off the lead.

Now I hate the fact that even though he sucks ass and the tour is much more exciting without him, we still have to put up with all his 'come back' stories.

Good stuff.:thumb:

Golf is better with tiger imo.


And seriously, **** golf. 10 footer for birdie on 18 for a cool 1000 bucks and I leave it short right in the guts, lost some cash.

I hate myself

actual cash or club credit?

all of the tourneys around here only give course credit

Cash

Saturday morning game here at our club in springfield. 250 per side, 125 per player 2 man best ball.

Pushed the front, 1 up going into 18, they pressed, I missed.

****

Looks like a really great job they do restoring them and I'm fairly interested now.

I sold my ISI nickles years ago to buy some Titlest set I never really liked. Even those were indestructible and looked nearly new at the time. Tough to say if they were the best iron I'd played since my swing was fairly better 10 years ago. Only thing I disliked was the offset.