654 goddamn attempts, that's how.

Geno is great and all but I'm gonna be pretty happy with Wilson too. They're 1A and 1B for me now.

Clay has been bringing the stat guns to the bullshit knife fight lately. N00bs have nothing left but their twisted sense of the "eye test" to discredit Geno Smith. Or Tyler Wilson for that matter.

Somebody get this man a roast beef sandwich.

Perhaps we should trade for Matt Flynn and then draft a QB. That seems to work.

I'm reposting this because it's the most relevant goddamn stat in the whole goddamn thread.

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Change my name to Barkley's Reckoning, bitch. (not really)

Matt Flynn was a free agent signing, not a trade

God, look at Aaron Murray's dogshit stats against the Top 25.

Mike Glennon's numbers against top competition are also pretty good.

59 for 105, 752 yards, 7 TD, 2 INT

Nassib's #s please.

Landry Jones' stats are pretty good too. Better than Glennon's really.

Just sayin'.

Look at the table. They look pretty good, especially his 4th quarter numbers.

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My sleeper pick doing work.

Only guy with comparable pocket presence and release to Geno in this draft IMO.

And Manuel.

Completion percentages, yes.

TD/INT ratio, no.

However, this is a good example of why you can't just look at stats. Doesn't provide any context as to what the score was, how the play was scored (long YAC, screen, etc). You have to take these stats, then compare with film, and then make conclusion.

I feel Pioli just looks at stats/combine...that would explain some things.

i've not seen a single snap of this guy

is he a 2nd/3rd round QB or a 4th/5th round QB?

i am not a fan of jones, and think he will go too high...but if you could get him at value in the 4th or later, he'd be a pretty good long term backup...

Geno or nothing. None of the other QB's intrigue me, this was a weird college season.

Stiff, happy feet, and he has a funky windup delivery.

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout

If fans would realize just one thing about the draft, it's this: College stats mean nothing when it comes to predicting NFL success

Matt Miller has said repeatedly on the radio that the Chiefs should take Geno Smith.

His co-workers at TBR agree:

IMO, he's my 3rd QB after Geno and Wilson. Great release, great movement w/in the pocket, does get happy feet though. Has played pretty well against good teams and has been pretty clutch.

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Odd release. Downward push, almost like a weird upside-down shotput.

Part of that is true, no doubt...but some do tell you what the kid is made of.

Completion percentage isn't an all telling stat by any means as a singular entity, but when you take ypa and td:int and figure in comp% it will give you a good idea how impressive those numbers are.

Then you look at how those numbers changed once he faced better teams and you know more...then you dig a little deeper to see how he did in "clutch situations" and you get a better feel for indicators on how he will do at the next level.

Essentially, that's what the chart does and to discredit it is straight up silly

Also, I think Stanzi matches up well statistically to the better guys on that chart....but I digress.

Odd motion. The ball gets out of his hands fast though.

He posted that Tweet from Matt Miller because he thinks it strengthens the case against taking Smith #1 overall.

Except that Miller is on the radio in KC every week and has said repeatedly that he thinks the Chiefs should take Smith...

IMO, Nassib looks like a guy who is trying to emulate Peyton (in regards to his happy feet, only Nassib over-exaggerates it). DOn't really have a + or- about that. Players do that all the time. I do think if he settles his feet more, his deep accuracy improves significantly. Still gets good rotation with his hips though.

Just so people aren't confused, this is who want if Geno/Wilson were gone. To be fair, I haven't watched any film of Dysert and limited on Glennon.

whoever did his highlights did him no favors...the first 3 mins are incomplete passes intercut with sacks and an int...doesn't complete a pass longer than 10 yards till 3:20


i will be curious to see the bowl game

he does a fast release and plenty of arm strength

It's not a highlight tape.

Not a highlight tape, its an every snap tape. Thats what i generally watch on geno. Geno is going to be a player. Now my only fear is us passing on him.

got it...i was laughing to myself thinking someone doesn't understand the term 'highlights'

can someone make a geno gif thread?

FWIW,

Daniel Jeremiah attended the Manning Academy last summer and came away with the opinion that Bray was the best prospect of the bunch. He says good things about the other QB's also (including Barkley and Smith).
http://www.yahoosportsradio.com/unca...academy-29294/

Bray is way too immature handing him the keys to the franchise would be a huge mistake.

Oh yeah, Peyton Manning's 89 TD, 33 INT and 11,000 yards meant nothing!

Eli Manning threw for 10,000 yards and 81 TD in college, but that was not an indicator of his future success!!!!

Ben Roethlisberger's 10,829 yards and 84 TD? WORTHLESS!

Andrew Luck's 9,430 yards and 82 TD? Meh.

David Klinger.

I'm not saying college stats are the be-all end-all of scouting. Obviously Kliff Kingsbury was a joke of an NFL QB despite huge college stats.

But to say they mean nothing is silly.

You take Geno's stats and then watch him play and watch him make NFL throws...and you have a pretty damn good prospect.

And the fact his numbers only got better and better...and he never regressed....also says a lot.

Geno is the #1 QB right now but I think Tyler Wilson could be by April too. Geno has all the tools no doubt but I want to see how he translates playing under center. The spread has hurt some of these guys.

Agree completely, and as I said, it's 1A and 1B for me.

I agree. Barkley has not helped himself this season.

I think Geno Smith or Tyler Wilson would be the two I think.

If we slip to 3rd it's going to be a long ****ing wait till April

Said it once, say it again

If genos defense gets a stop against ou and tcu, they win those games and are at 9 wins and we aren't having all these bullshit conversations

I agree.

Exactly

I think some people are clouded by Geno's "wow" throws in college.

There are some serious problems that Geno has IMO.

-He locks onto his 1st read ALL THE TIME. Almost 90% of the time. That is a huge problem. That's not going to work at all in the NFL. Watch tape of him. It's as if he doesn't notice any other receiver but his first read a lot of the time. His eyes are on his 1st read. Think NFL CB's won't notice that?

-He sits in the pocket too long looking for the right play. This goes back to the first point. You can't sit in the pocket for 5 or 6 seconds consistently in the NFL. You'll get sacked.

-He has trouble reading complex defenses. What happens when DC's in the NFL throw mixed coverages/blitzes at him? Will he know what audible to use to counteract what the defense throws at him? Against K State, Texas Tech and TCU he got really confused and struggled mightily against their mixed defenses. He doesn't understand the X's and O's as well as you would like and he's in the shotgun which gives him more space to see the field. What happens when he's in a passing play under center in the NFL and LB's throw mixed blitzes at him?
The NFL is a chess game. Understanding how to react is a vital part of being an NFL QB.


On top of that, he's been in the spread for two years. Yes he did well in his sophomore year, but they still used the shotgun in a lot of situations to maximize his talent.
Spread QB's rarely translate well to the NFL.

People jumped on the Geno bandwagon when he had 24 TD's and 0 INT's. Okay. Who did he play?

Marshall-101st ranked defense out of 120
James Madison-Should they even be considered a defense?
Baylor-119th ranked defense out of 120
Texas-75th ranked defense out of 120

21 of those 24 TD's came against shitty college defenses.

This is all coachable, you realize?

Geno reacts well to pressure and gets the ball out. He's going to be fine. He was only sacked 17 times.

SPREAD QBS RARELY TRANSLATE TO THE NFL BROS

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Geno Smith has a tendency to lock on to his primary when he feels he needs to make big plays to keep up.

In most situations, however, he reads the defense and goes through progressions just fine.

This is something I noted a couple of weeks ago, and reinforced by a scouting report that was posted in this thread, or the McShay mock draft thread.

This assertion that he doesn't go through progressions is pure, unmitigated bull.

Geno Smith is not RG3.

RG3 has an incredible football IQ. He wowed everyone at the combine with his X's and O's knowledge.

Why don't you give Geno a chance to wow some idiots at the combine then?

Just dismissing Geno because he played in the spread is stupid.

The dude is extremely, extremely intelligent, a perfectionist since he was a kid, and that probably translates to football.

Again, just depends if he decides to get serious about his job which part of the interview process

I agree with you, though I see him locking onto his 1st read a lot when he's not behind.

I'm not worried about Geno's ability to scramble, throw all the needed throws and make plays.

It's his technique and understanding of the game that has me worried.

That's what I'm waiting for. All we have to go by right now is game tape.

I like Geno. I think he has a ton of potential, but I want to see him prove his football IQ and technique at the combine before I go in full out "draft Geno" mode.

The report from Schefter was that college scouts aren't "completely wowed" by Geno. This is probably because of what I'm stating. His game tape shows flaws that he needs to fix in Indy.

Against the most complex and athletic defense he played all year, OU, he had a great game.

He consistently had/has to put up 50 points.


If his defense gets 1 stop against OU and TCU, we aren't talking about all this.

Why do I read all these reports about how he's so great at the X's and O"s?

Bray has the physical tools no doubt. None of us will ever get to interview him, talk to people he knows, sit down in a film room with him, know what kind of a leader he is.

All of those things are more important than his arm/accuracy.

If he passed all those tests we'll never see, I'd have no problem drafting him. I'd still prefer Geno Smith though.

RunKC/blackbob same guy

The fact that he played at a fairly high level as a sophmore in one system, an NFL pro style system, and played at a high level in an entirely different system speaks to his football IQ.

You need to quit pulling shit out of your ass. Geno Smith diagnoses a defense AT the line and adjusts his progressions according to what he sees. He's a film room junkie and he has arguably the best technique in this class. His deep ball is as accurate as RGIII and he spins the ball at a ridiculous RPM. You CLEARLY have NO IDEA what you are talking about if you are claiming that his technique and understanding of the game are the issue here.

If my first two reads were Miles Austin and Stedman Bailey I'd probably tend to look their way too.

Smith is a Cowboy too?

Aren't there rules against that?

Wait, what in the ****?

You may as well go ball deep into Geno love, RunKC.

It's all you got. It's all you're gonna get. And it's your only hope.

Quit being a choosy reerun. Geno Smith is a pretty nice #1 overall pick to have.

Wouldn't these first two points kind of contradict each other?

And this may be JMO, but playing QB would be somewhat like playing poker. If you do the same thing everytime, the DB's would figure you out. Sometimes you need to throw to the guy you are locked in on 1st, and sometimes not. Maybe you are bluffing, maybe you are not. Trick is, the good ones in both fields know when to do what.

You might want to watch the Texas Tech and KState game again. He was very confused about the blitz packages and formations the defense had on the field.

He couldn't do anything against them. They owned him. Hell on Geno's first INT vs KState the defense knew he was throwing it to his first read and the WR was blanketed.

If milkman and Nightfyre are on the same page like this I'm pretty sure Geno is a stud.

Jarvis Jones sucks.

Well, he doesn't suck, but he sure as **** isn't a pass rusher I would want to draft in the top 5. I'd still be iffy about taking him in the top 10.

If people claim none of the QBs are worth that premium high pick, they have to apply the same to the TRULY terrible positions in this draft.

2013's QBs > 2013's pass rushers and OTs.

I'm curious for your thoughts on Tyler Wilson.

Matt Ryan threw 19 INTs as a senior.

HOW THE **** DID HE GO #3 OVERALL

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LOL

Brain on work. Tavon obvoiusly.

Geno threw 17 TD and 4 INT against top 25 teams and dumbasses want to focus on two of the INTs.

Jesus **** my eye christ.

Those two games fall on the shoulders of Dana Holgorson more than Geno Smith. KState had that offense figured out down to the letter, and dumb**** Holgorson made ZERO adjustments to try to work out of it.

When Geno Smith plays in a REAL pro system at the NFL level, THEN you can blame him for a KState-like game. In the meantime, he took the fall for the shit his gimmicky garbage coach couldn't identify and correct.

I agree with your general point.

But Jarvis Jones was one of the 5 best college players I saw in all of 2012. Dude doesn't come close to sucking.

I like him a lot, but he's my second choice. If Jacksonville beats us out of the top pick and selects Geno, I won't be disappointed at all if we take Wilson.

Yep. He's a damn good player and will be in the NFL, too.

I think this place could very well be more in love with Tyler Wilson than Geno Smith by the time the combine is over.

The dude had nothing this year but Cobi Hamilton. His coach was the worst in college football and his defense was average.

I really think the guy is gonna light it up next month at the Senior Bowl when he actually has good coaching and legit talent around him.

He was the 4th best QB last year in his first year starting in the best conference in college and this year he's shown more than any QB in college.

The guy is taking a beating and he almost beat LSU for crying out loud.

Seriously, I do not see us picking 2nd. I see us picking 1st if we lose to the Faiders. And if we win Sunday I see us picking 3rd. Under the second scenario it would be Jax, Oakland, and then us. I could see us missing out on both Smith and Wilson.

We need a loss Sunday!!!! GO FAIDERS!!!

Really think the Raiders would go QB? Seems like they just finished giving the farm for Palmer.

That was before Reggie McKenzie took over. Plus, I suspect Mr. McKenzie would be smart enough to draft a QB and groom him behind a 33 year-old Carson Palmer so they don't have to suck when Carson's skillset plummets off the edge of time and space.

This. We discussed this DURING the games in the gamethreads. Feel free to look it up, mr. runKC. Holgorson sucks at making adjustments.