So that leaves Geno Smith to Oakland. I am sure that will be comical.

Will those handful who said they'd be a fan of whatever team drafted him live up to their, er, commitment to excellence?

Why do you guys continue to feed the trolls? Just put them on ignore and move on.

They can't make a ****ing article without mentioning Luck and RGIII. You'd think last year was the only successful year for QBs in NFL history.

If we don't take a QB, and Geno is a Raider, I will root for him EVERY ****ing game. Even against the Chiefs.

I'll still be a Chiefs fan, but I will root for Geno to rape kitties.

I think so. It's only a matter of time before he's just talking to himself. ROFL.

If you'll root for Oakland against the Chiefs, you aren't a fan.

ROFL

This place improved 100 percent about 4 days ago. LMAO

I've been doing it for two ****ing years.

Might as well. I'll still be talking to the most intelligent person the board.

I think what it shows for success is that the most sure thing top prospects are still only a 50/50 chance. Basically, 50/50 is as good as it gets with projecting QB's to the NFL. Anything less than that top group and the odds decrease immensely.

A good argument for taking a shot. Especially when they rarely come along.

Q.

No. Jaguars aren't drafting Geno no matter what. And I would be extremely nervous if I thought they might.

Bullshit. He and Barkley both knew they would be asked to redraw it. They have seen Gruden's QB camp. Their agents and trainers at IMG absolutely prepared them for this.

If I knew it was coming, so did they...

You basically have a 1/4 chance of getting a good QB out of the first round of the draft, based on NFL history.

It's about a 1/10 chance in the 2nd round.

nah, ill just hate on peeholi part two all the way to the inevitable firing...
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Yep. If we pass, you're gettin some penii.
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I wonder how that equates to a supposedly weak QB class. Seems like a stronger class would run deeper... Not just that but those guys you find in the 2nd round that turn out well are guys with talent, no doubt. They just have flaws that were magnified at the time. Such as height with Drew Brees for example.

People who are obviously trolling, don't feed them.

What's interesting is that the third round might actually be a little better than the second round.

If the Chiefs pass on Geno, he won't go in the top 5 IMO. He'll go to one of the teams at 6,7 or 8.

You are certainly trolling these guys hard.... Gabbert is garbage and Smith would be an instant upgrade. I saw your post about Zona drafting Barkley -your trolling knows no bounds lol.... no way Zona takes Barkley.... I would take Bray before Barkley....

We already drafted a bust QB recently. No chance we take that risk at least until we have a more sure-fire QB pick in the draft.


Gabbert is garbage, yes. But we also have way more holes on the roster than the Chiefs. Notice how every mock draft with the chief's NOT taking Geno, also has the Jaguars not taking him?

Gruden has never drawn a play, then asked them to re-draw it later IIRC.

What's interesting is that the third round actually has a higher success rate than the second round, historically speaking.

I'd put that at about 15 percent vs 10 percent for the 2nd round.

Grudens camp doesn't do that......idiot.

I'm still no 100 percent sure if the Chiefs pass on Geno Kelly doesn't jump at it and take him at 4. He could do away with Dennis Dixon and Foles pretty easily in that case.

The NFL has changed and college QB's are becoming more ready to enter the NFL. Hell even high school QB's kids are becoming more prepared to enter college, especially in Texas.

Ever since Goodell changed the rules to help QB's, they have slowly started to emerge.

I don't think it's the kids coming in as much as it is the teams dumbing things down and going to simpler style offenses when these guys first get in.


All these rookies save for Luck, basically had 1 read fairly simple offenses early on. The ones who are successful atleast.

I agree and I think they are doing that with spread QB's.

The problem with that is that good defenses figure it out eventually. RG3 and Cam help make that a hell of a lot harder though because they can beat you with their legs.

There are a lot of easy 2 reads that most colleges use as well as NFL systems.

****, even that play that Mooch drew up for Geno could technically be described as a 1 read play if the QB dumps off the flat initially by observers. In fact, the "check down" is designated as the first read. Most people don't understand that.

There are 1 read plays, and then there are plays that look like they have 1 read because of the design and how they are used. ****, even Rich Rodriguez, who supposedly only uses 1 read systems has screen plays that are 2 and 3 reads with the screen being the 3rd option.

Well, you obviously aren't going to win really big with a rookie QB. I think what Wilson did is about the best you can expect because yes defenses do figure that out. Thats when you start doing more and more when he gets more comfortable. There is obviously going to be a learning curve, but the fact that you can make it easy on a rookie for him to get his feet wet makes it alot easier.

It's basically what any rookie QB will go thru, whatever system he comes from. You just have to accept that you have a rookie Qb and you aren't counting on winning now, it's for the future.

Nearly all plays have multiple reads. The benefit of the spread, especially in college, is that it is easy to go to your first read. Now, this can be viewed as a negative and a positive. "He goes to his first read consistently" is normally viewed as a negative, however, his first read is the correct one and open it is positive.

IMO, people get confused with QB's and "reads". For teh most part, your reads are done before the snap. When you have to go to second reads, third reads, it's usually when defenses go exotic and fool you. It's why you don't see Brady, Brees, etc go to a second read alot, they don't get confused very often.

The hardest things for rookies are pre snap IMO and when they actually have to make reads. I'd venture to say from watching this year, Cam, RGIII, and Wilson didn't go to their 2 read too many times.

What are you talking about? Miller has Geno going 3rd to OAK. He has him as his 10th best player. That means he thinks he is the 10th best player. Thus, him saying we will be glad we didn't get him doesn't make sense since he himself thinks he is the 10th best player.

You keep talking like Miller is mocking Geno at 10 and that it's what we are talking about. It's not.

The real trick is to have a variety of personnel (formations and alignments) that create confusion and additionally have a good gameplan. Having a QB that is solid pre-snap is key (Identifying the front (which all playbooks have and is also taught to the OL), identifying the coverage (via safeties, LBs positions and leverage from the corners) and understanding your matchups (which is through a Qbs understanding of their own players and the opponents)).

Sorter, check your PM's.

There you go. That's all you had to say. I had no way of knowing from those tweets that he also mentioned he is his #10 overall player.

I don't read shit on that children's bleacher report website.

I don't read that site either. I didn't realize until I came back what the issue was.

I disagree with the last part. There are several plays in which I saw both Robert and Russell go to their 2nd and 3rd read. For example, if you watch the Skins/Cowboys game, there's a play where Robert goes to his third read from a doubles left, where the WR screen was the 1, the 9 on the same side was the second, and the TE running a dig was the 3rd. That's just from memory but IIRC, the game is on youtube. I'll have to find it.

Additionally, there are several simple concepts that are 2 reads that look like 1 read plays (Smash, Levels, Shallow Cross, curl/flats).

Thats kind of what I'm getting at with reads. People think reads go from one side to another back to said side.

Most guys reads are one single sides, opposite side being the likely last read. You only have so much time back there.


I didn't watch a whole lot of RGIII as I wasn't really into football this year, for obvious reasons. That said, Wilson of early to mid season was alot different thatn the Wilson we saw late.

Also, IIRC, alot of the concepts that Geno ran at WV, are being incorporated, or already are at the NFL level.

I didn't get to watch much of either until late. The RG3 one is just a play that kinda stuck with me.

I do agree that from what little I've seen that A) Wilson had a dumbed down O to begin the season and improved exceptionally and B) the read concepts applied later helped him gain confidence/speed in going through progressions. People think the RO is super easy, but when you have a PA RO called, the QB has to identify front, coverage, then read the DE/OLB, then drop and make his reads throwing. Now, those throws are helped by the RO sucking LBs/Safeties in and also open up double moves for your WRs, however, the QB has to make a minimum of 2 reads and typically more (1 for the DE, 1 minimum for the pass play called)

In short, you aren't successfully operating the RO consistently in the NFL unless you are a QB who can process information and understand defenses.

by our powers combined...

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You need to photoshop Inmem with his middle finger in the background.

cockmon prefers to draft a "sure fire" QB. Cockmon...is a TTF. Trolling True Fan.
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Says the guy going gay over the raiders next QB.

You know what I like best about you and your team? You drafted and are enjoying a shitty QB from MY college team. That's just teh awesome.
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<3 me some Yo Gabba Gabby.

-73 is like 9 sacks.

Vick has had more sacks than that. So what is Vick just a pure pocket passer.

I said the -73 was Foles' BEST year in college.

Ok. thats still about 9 sacks.

Every year Vick has more than 10 sacks.

Does anyone have a full combine video for Geno yet?

That's hilarious

Not yet but he destroyed the combine. The new chiefs WR coach I swore was gonna orgasm every time Geno threw. He loves him.

yeah, I watched it. I was just waiting for someone to be a video together

Im sure there is a video out there.

****ing Mayock before the combine says Geno is 20-32 pick.

Today he says he can see Geno in the top 10 and being a face of a franchise.

****ing Mayock before the combine says Geno is 20-32 pick.

Today he says he can see Geno in the top 10 and being a face of a franchise.

mmm....thats some tasty backpeddlin'....
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It's the flavor of the week since the combine... Slowly but surely these hacks are coming around.

This train stops for NO ONE.
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Everyone knows they love Geno. Chief fan or not.

Link?

No link. He was saying it during the combine today.

I didn't hear that part. I did hear them all saying pretty good things about Geno. "Potential first pick" was being used far more than before the combine.

Yea everybody is hopping aboard the Geno train now.

damn straight.
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damn straight.
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Well I know I've seen it before. Figured it was Gruden since his interviews are a lot longer and in depth. My bad, haven't watched in a ****ing year. No reason for the name calling though asshole. Fact is, they abso****inglutely know it's coming. Period. There is no arguing that fact.

That said, I don't think Geno did poorly at all, and actually better than Barkley. Geno missed on the progression, his protection, and flipped the brown left to brown right. Don't know what the **** Boss is talking about only getting 2/12.

Barkley on the other hand just hung up before even drawing the routes. Turned a deep slant into a short slant, a post corner post into a post corner and just seemed way too lost for a guy who is supposed to have an inherent knowledge of the WCO.

I see from a quote that B14ckmon says he doesn't read Bleacherreport and calls it a child's website. Yet, every time he provides a link to backup a claim or argument, his source is bleacherreport. I think the razzing him for citing that abomination got to him...

Didn't know if it was posted. Mort said on nfl32 today that everyone he talked to said geno aced his interviews. I trust him over teichers dumb ass

Not to mention the fact that Barkley drew the wrong route, Mooch said it was the wrong route, and Barkley tried to move forward as if Mooch were wrong.

In several NFL offenses, there are NO reads on the opposite side of the field.

In Shanahan's offense, for example, even with the RO, the bulk of the plays are designed to split the field in half and "bottle" the defense. There aren't any reads on the far side of the field.

Either ESPN or NFLN charted every RG3 throw last year. You happened to find one of the very few 3rd read throws he made. There weren't many. There actually weren't a whole lot of 2nd read throws IIRC.

Haha

This gives me wood.

Just remembered. This morning on NFL AM, Eric Davis was all about QB to KC. Only guy I've seen with the balls to call it like it truly is.

Said KC needs to take whomever they decide to be the best QB in this draft. They won't ever get a franchise QB if they don't try. If they pick up A. Smith, there likely won't be a QB for them where they'll pick next year, but there will always be a LT.

Also said that last year's draft plays a huge roll in the attitude towards this year's QB class. Said Geno/Barkley do not grade out much differently than Stafford, Bradford or Matt Ryan types.

He gets it.

Think I'll follow him on twitter.

I've mentioned it before. Eric Davis is actually pretty good. He used to be on the radio and always loved listening to him. That NFL AM show is kind of wonky but he's a good dude and smart football mind.