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Spott 03-13-2023 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16853661)
As a group, the Chiefs WRs caught just 13 TD passes.

For the sake of comparison, DEN had 10, LAC had 14. ANd as we know, LAC's WRs were injured most of the season.
That’s actually a pretty remarkable stat considering Mahomes had over 40 TD passes last season. No matter what, he was getting it in the end zone to somebody.

Tribal Warfare 03-13-2023 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 16853677)
I hope the mods ban you from this thread.
He already blew a circuit when the Chiefs let Brown walk

Reerun_KC 03-13-2023 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16853619)
I can find multiple examples of guys that got hurt at an old age and were never anywhere close to the same. I can find multiple examples of elite guys that fell off when they turned 30+. I can find multiple examples of 30+ year old receivers that continued producing at a high level for several years, but in all of those examples that player didn't have back to back season ending injuries at 29 and 30 years old. So here's an exercise for someone that wants DHop

Please find me an example of a WR who produced under those same scenarios. Guy that's over 30, so 31 or older and had multiple injuries between 27 and 30.

Also I keep reading that he had 700 yds in 9 games and how good he was, but how good was he really? Let's compare Hopkins and Juju from last year.

Hopkins

9 games - 96 targets/64 receptions/717 yds/11.2 ypc/3 TDs

Juju

16 games - 101 targets/78 receptions/933 yds/12 ypc/3 TDs

11.2 ypc is the worst of Hopkins career

Juju only had 5 more targets and greatly out performed the dude.

The only thing impressive is that Hopkins was able to fit in almost a full years worth of targets into 9 games. Hopkins numbers last year are the result of a shitty QB and no other person to throw the ball to. Hopkins led them in receiving and played just over half the season. Marquise Brown isn't a bad number 2, but he and Hopkins only played 4 games together.

This would be such an incredibly bad trade that I know it isn't even realistic. Brett Veach isn't a fan hoping a guy can come here and regain his former glory. He's extremely smart and a realist.

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This is a good post.

Abba-Dabba 03-13-2023 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 16853680)
That’s actually a pretty remarkable stat considering Mahomes had over 40 TD passes last season. No matter what, he was getting it in the end zone to somebody.
That seems like exactly what was expected from TC on how the offense would look. Beyond Mahomes and Kelce there was not going to be one go to guy. The ball was going to spread around. Taking advantages of mismatches a diverse set of skillsets the offensive scheme creates on the defense.

It is exactly why you see. 13 TD's from the WR's, 16 TD's from the TE's and 12 from the RB's. Pretty damn balanced offensively.

Megatron96 03-13-2023 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 16853680)
That’s actually a pretty remarkable stat considering Mahomes had over 40 TD passes last season. No matter what, he was getting it in the end zone to somebody.
It's absolutely remarkable. Even with Travis accounting for 13 of them, it's incredible.

question is, is it sustainable?

Titty Meat 03-13-2023 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16853619)
I can find multiple examples of guys that got hurt at an old age and were never anywhere close to the same. I can find multiple examples of elite guys that fell off when they turned 30+. I can find multiple examples of 30+ year old receivers that continued producing at a high level for several years, but in all of those examples that player didn't have back to back season ending injuries at 29 and 30 years old. So here's an exercise for someone that wants DHop

Please find me an example of a WR who produced under those same scenarios. Guy that's over 30, so 31 or older and had multiple injuries between 27 and 30.

Also I keep reading that he had 700 yds in 9 games and how good he was, but how good was he really? Let's compare Hopkins and Juju from last year.

Hopkins

9 games - 96 targets/64 receptions/717 yds/11.2 ypc/3 TDs

Juju

16 games - 101 targets/78 receptions/933 yds/12 ypc/3 TDs

11.2 ypc is the worst of Hopkins career

Juju only had 5 more targets and greatly out performed the dude.

The only thing impressive is that Hopkins was able to fit in almost a full years worth of targets into 9 games. Hopkins numbers last year are the result of a shitty QB and no other person to throw the ball to. Hopkins led them in receiving and played just over half the season. Marquise Brown isn't a bad number 2, but he and Hopkins only played 4 games together.

This would be such an incredibly bad trade that I know it isn't even realistic. Brett Veach isn't a fan hoping a guy can come here and regain his former glory. He's extremely smart and a realist.

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Hopkins played for a dumpster fire of a franchise guy snags atleast 80 balls here and goes over 1k

duncan_idaho 03-13-2023 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16853693)
It's absolutely remarkable. Even with Travis accounting for 13 of them, it's incredible.

question is, is it sustainable?

Depends on how much the 12 and 13 sets remain primary sets in the red zone. And how much teams continue to leave the flats vulnerable with the way they play D.

jerryaldini 03-13-2023 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 16853680)
That’s actually a pretty remarkable stat considering Mahomes had over 40 TD passes last season. No matter what, he was getting it in the end zone to somebody.
It is a great stat. Kelce had 12 and McKinnon had 9, so that gets you to 34. Juju only had 3 and MVS 2. Heck even Gabe Davis had 7. Bengals receivers combine for 25. All signs pointing to Veach finding the upgrade they need.

Chief Roundup 03-13-2023 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16853708)
Hopkins played for a dumpster fire of a franchise guy snags atleast 80 balls here and goes over 1k
And he has not been able to stay healthy the last couple of seasons and has that magic number with his age.

penguinz 03-13-2023 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16853708)
Hopkins played for a dumpster fire of a franchise guy snags atleast 80 balls here and goes over 1k
Hopkins has only played in 19 games in the past two seasons. Not worth the risk of sending picks to Arizona for a player who will only be on the field for half the games.

KC already has two WRs (assuming JuJu comes back) that cannot stay healthy a full season. Dumb to spend that much capital on a third.

Odell would make more sense as he would be cheaper and no draft pick compensation.

Odds are he would be available about the same number of games as Hopkins.

Titty Meat 03-13-2023 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16853747)
Hopkins has only played in 19 games in the past two seasons. Not worth the risk of sending picks to Arizona for a player who will only be on the field for half the games.

KC already has two WRs (assuming JuJu comes back) that cannot stay healthy a full season. Dumb to spend that much capital on a third.

Odell would make more sense as he would be cheaper and no draft pick compensation.

Odds are he would be available about the same number of games as Hopkins.
JuJu was coming off an injury when we signed him. Hopkins is a superior player to JuJu. Your argument is kind of a fallacy though you point out Hopkins availability and then suggest Odell Beckham who's missed even more time the past 2 seasons.

Couch-Potato 03-13-2023 10:02 PM
Couple of interesting notes...

Hopkins requires custom gloves bc his hands are so big.

Hopkins apparently holds some kind of pseudo-record for having caught 100+ consecutive in-game passes where the ball at least touched his hands without dropping a single one.

JuJu, meanwhile, does TickTocks lol

Megatron96 03-13-2023 10:07 PM
One other factoid:

The Chiefs scored 27 or less points in no less than 11 games, including the playoffs, in 2021/7 games under 27, 2020/7 games, 2019/6 games under 27 (didn't count the week 17 loss as Pat and most of the starting offense sat out or played limited minutes), in 2018/3 games under 27 points.

So, yeah, KC was the number 1 scoring offense in 2022, that is true.

But they also scored less than 30 points/game almost twice as often than in any other season led by Mahomes. So really what happened is that the league scored fewer points in 2022.

Digest that as you will.

duncan_idaho 03-13-2023 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 16853747)
Hopkins has only played in 19 games in the past two seasons. Not worth the risk of sending picks to Arizona for a player who will only be on the field for half the games.

KC already has two WRs (assuming JuJu comes back) that cannot stay healthy a full season. Dumb to spend that much capital on a third.

Odell would make more sense as he would be cheaper and no draft pick compensation.

Odds are he would be available about the same number of games as Hopkins.

I’m not gung ho to acquire Hopkins, but if we’re being fair … half of those games were missed because of suspension, half due to injury.

This isn’t an “ailment of the week” situation by any means.

New World Order 03-13-2023 11:05 PM
Do you want Hopkins for 2 years or JuJu for 3.

Hopkins will be 31 in the summer.


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