ChiefsPlanet

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   Cardinals ***Official 2015 STL Cardinals Thread III.*** (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=295296)

ChiefsCountry 12-13-2015 09:09 PM

Interesting theory from Morosi.
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/s...options-121215

BigRedChief 12-13-2015 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 11952032)

Mo says they are not interested in pursuing another OF. They are going after pitching.

Looks like its Holliday/Grichek/Piscotty and Adams/Moss at 1B.

BigRedChief 12-16-2015 01:33 AM

Ouch..........

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jason Heyward says the bottom line for choosing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cubs?src=hash">#Cubs</a> over <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Stlcards?src=hash">#Stlcards</a> was their youth, recognizing that many Cards could soon be gone w age</p>&mdash; Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) <a href="https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/676881886032080896">December 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pasta Little Brioni 12-16-2015 02:24 AM

He's no loss

Marco Polo 12-16-2015 09:43 AM

In today's Denver Post, it suggests that the Rockies could be willing to trade CarGo to the Cardinals in package surrounding Marco Gonzalez. I would do that deal in a second, provided CarGo is willing to sign an extension to keep him more than two years. No more of that one and done trades.

jd1020 12-16-2015 12:13 PM

Don't think there is any chance the Cardinals could land CarGo without giving up one of their 2 top 100 prospects. He's 30 years old and coming off a 40 HR year.

DJ's left nut 12-16-2015 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Polo (Post 11957378)
In today's Denver Post, it suggests that the Rockies could be willing to trade CarGo to the Cardinals in package surrounding Marco Gonzalez. I would do that deal in a second, provided CarGo is willing to sign an extension to keep him more than two years. No more of that one and done trades.

Cargo will suck the moment he leaves Coors.

Then he'll get hurt.

Then he'll come back and get right back to sucking....before getting hurt again.

Rinse, repeat.

George Liquor 12-16-2015 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11957187)
Ouch..........

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jason Heyward says the bottom line for choosing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cubs?src=hash">#Cubs</a> over <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Stlcards?src=hash">#Stlcards</a> was their youth, recognizing that many Cards could soon be gone w age</p>&mdash; Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) <a href="https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/676881886032080896">December 15, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I hope he remembers saying this when he opts out of his contract after year 3

Marco Polo 12-16-2015 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11957778)
Cargo will suck the moment he leaves Coors.

Then he'll get hurt.

Then he'll come back and get right back to sucking....before getting hurt again.

Rinse, repeat.

I'd be interested in your opinion of this article:

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/159753...field-creation

I think CarGo would be good, not great, but would still help this lineup.

DJ's left nut 12-16-2015 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Polo (Post 11957943)
I'd be interested in your opinion of this article:

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/159753...field-creation

I think CarGo would be good, not great, but would still help this lineup.

I think there's been one superstar leave Coors Field who was legitimately productive afterwards - Matt Holliday. And Holliday was a much better pure hitter than Cargo. His approach wasn't as fouled up by going on the road during his Coors days as Cargo's was.

I agree with the general premise that it's unfair to take a player's road numbers and just project them as his overall numbers once he leaves Coors. However, Carlos Gonzales isn't merely worse away from Coors - he's genuinely bad. The splits for Gonzalez are way too far apart. Citing exit velocity to support his is the same idiocy that Mozeliak did when he traded for Moss. Exit velocity doesn't mean much when you can't actually make contact with the ball.

The collapse in his approach on the road tells me that he feasts on the rolling breakers that turn Coors pitching into AAAA caliber staffs.

And to add to ALL of that - the dude can't touch lefties and we had the 2nd worst RC+ against lefties in baseball last year.

So let's set aside the Coors effect for a moment; he's still an injury prone platoon player with a $38 million contractual obligation over the next 2 years. I wouldn't give up a hell of a lot for that even if I were confident that he wasn't a Coors product.

People are still looking to pay for what Cargo was in 2010 - the dynamic young MVP candidate with nothing but upside. I just don't see it. He's now on the back half of 30, he's sacrificing contact skills for power and he's expensive.

jd1020 12-16-2015 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 11957912)
I hope he remembers saying this when he opts out of his contract after year 3

More power to him if he does. The 2018 OF free agent pool is stacked.

He received a $20M signing bonus thats deferred to 2019. I wonder how that works if he opts out.

Marco Polo 12-16-2015 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11957970)
I think there's been one superstar leave Coors Field who was legitimately productive afterwards - Matt Holliday. And Holliday was a much better pure hitter than Cargo. His approach wasn't as fouled up by going on the road during his Coors days as Cargo's was.

I agree with the general premise that it's unfair to take a player's road numbers and just project them as his overall numbers once he leaves Coors. However, Carlos Gonzales isn't merely worse away from Coors - he's genuinely bad. The splits for Gonzalez are way too far apart. Citing exit velocity to support his is the same idiocy that Mozeliak did when he traded for Moss. Exit velocity doesn't mean much when you can't actually make contact with the ball.

The collapse in his approach on the road tells me that he feasts on the rolling breakers that turn Coors pitching into AAAA caliber staffs.

And to add to ALL of that - the dude can't touch lefties and we had the 2nd worst RC+ against lefties in baseball last year.

So let's set aside the Coors effect for a moment; he's still an injury prone platoon player with a $38 million contractual obligation over the next 2 years. I wouldn't give up a hell of a lot for that even if I were confident that he wasn't a Coors product.

People are still looking to pay for what Cargo was in 2010 - the dynamic young MVP candidate with nothing but upside. I just don't see it. He's now on the back half of 30, he's sacrificing contact skills for power and he's expensive.

I think you raise some very valid points. I would rather just sign Upton then trade players for CarGo.

BigRedChief 12-16-2015 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Polo (Post 11958253)
I think you raise some very valid points. I would rather just sign Upton then trade players for CarGo.

I'm not interested in trades either. We have money, buy someone on the FA market.

We lost Hayward, Lynn and Lackey with 12 WAR. We need to replace some of that in FA. Possible sophmore slumps out of Piscotty and Grichuk scare me.

BigRedChief 12-16-2015 04:34 PM

Napoli signs $7 million/1 year only with the Indians. Why can't we take a gamble on the guy? We have money, he flops, no big hit to the payroll. And he could be a long ball threat off the bench. If he has a hot year......we are not playing Moss/Adams every day.

oldandslow 12-16-2015 04:47 PM

Yadi out all of spring training at least...

First thumb surgery didn't take, so they are doing it again.

This off season just keeps getting better.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseb...70de99ae9.html


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:24 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.