I guess that would be a dynamic signing.

Besides, Mo only goes after players after they've played with the Indians. Don't worry, if he has a good start to the season we'll probably trade Weaver for him.

Do you really care?

Mozeliak gave up on the season a week ago - not sure why any of us should stay all that vested in it.

Dj, weren't you saying they should stand pat a few weeks ago?

Seems unlikely.

The last time I said they should stand pat was months ago w/r/t Heyward.

The Cardinals have to be aggressive, forward or backwards. I don't really care which direction, but they can't just sit here and tread water.

If they aren't going to sign a cleanup hitter and a #3 starter, then they aren't going to be competitive in the NL this season. In that event, trade Peralta and Moss, float Rosenthal and have very quiet conversations with Molina, Holliday and Wainwright about whether or not they'd like to end on a contender. At the deadline when Grichuk is hurt (again), Wong is erratic (again), Adams is bad (again) and the team is languishing around .500, you simply firesale.

Alternatively, go sign Upton and Chen so you can actually field a 90 win ballclub and hopefully get hot in October.

This shit they're doing now just leaves them stuck at 82-84 wins, an aging core and a gap between them and CHC that is going to increase every single year.

I truly have no problem with the first or the last approach, but you can't do nothing. Mozeliak got punched in the mouth and he simply doesn't have any idea what to do at this point.

This is as glaring a KO as Rodgers vs. Smith was during the Monday Night game. Theo vs. Mozeliak is man vs. boy at this point.

The bottom line is that DeWitt doesn't appear to have the stomach for the cutthroat baseball that the Cubs have brought to the Central.

He likes winning, but he's not going to sacrifice his record-breaking operating profits for it, nor is he going to leverage the thirty fold increase in value the franchise has seen since he bought it to ensure it.

Nah, if he can't do it cheap, he's just not going to do it. When the difference between the Cards being competitive or not was $90 million vs. $70 million (back in the Jocketty days), he would buck up and spend. Now that it's $170 million vs. $120 million, he's just content rolling a bunch of question marks out there, finishing third and counting his guaranteed 3 million tickets sold.

At least he didn't piss the money away on an average player in heyward. Lulz at the moron pundits calling him a five tool player

Gotcha

I thought i remembered you talking about regrouping or something and am to lazy to look back

As long as they maintain a top 10 payroll we will be fine. Dewitt has never been a big spender but he hasn't been a cheapskate either.

I read somewhere that Chen was looking for a $100M contract. His agent is Boras.

He offered the largest contract in Cardinals history to the best FA pitcher on the market. A full market offer. We can't stop the Red Sox/Yankees or whoever from doing some kind of crazy offer.

They offered the most money in all of MLB to Hayward. He didn't want to play with us. I don't think there is a systemic issue with players not wanting to play for us, this was just a Hayward thing.

He got rid of a shitload of dead weight, Cruz, Kozma, Jay, Bourjas Reynolds, Choate etc.

I don't see how you can say he has given up on the season. As Hamas says...........show your work

For you guys that know this stuff, what %'s do these projections pan out?

here are their Steamer Projections (steamerprojections.com):

• Grichuk: 545 AB, 67 Runs, 23 HR, 76 RBI, 8 SB; .249/.296/.445
• Piscotty: 451 AB, 55 Runs, 11 HR, 51 RBI, 7 SB; .267/.327/.407

here are their projections from Baseball-Reference.com:

• Grichuk: 355 AB, 49 Runs, 16 HR, 46 RBI, 4 SB; .270/.326/.496
• Piscotty: 297 AB, 38 Runs, 9 HR, 44 RBI, 3 SB; .286/.346/.461

I would say the Steamer projections are more realistic, but they're really just educated guesses. Think of them as a good guess as to what might happen but not the gospel.

I think Piscotty puts up more than 11 HR in 451 ABs though. Probably closer to 14-15.

So basically, according to these projections, if Grichuk stays healthy he puts up more HRs and RBIs than Heyward at the expense of AVG.

Good enough for me.

Heyward would also get on-base about 70-80 points more often. That's pretty damned significant.

Mo made a strong run for Price and Heyward, but someone outbid him. That happens. I'd rather that happen than be paying Price $32 million in his age 37 season.

Remember who won the offseason last year? San Diego and Boston.

Justin Upton is still out there. Maybe the Cardinals don't like his defense, but I've always been a huge fan of his, and his bat profiles really well with the team. Maybe he goes somewhere else.

For whatever reason, Heyward didn't want to play here. You can't make the guy play here, and I don't think going the route of the Red Sox is particularly wise.

Now if they sign someone like Gordon, I'll be upset.

Don't see it happening. He's a gold glove LF. Why would he accept playing RF for a year. What if Holliday has a great year? The Cardinals will pick up the option and now he's waiting two years.

I don't see how DJ is saying they are not even trying anymore?:hmmm:

Just out of curiosity, could you post Heyward's projections? I would like to see a comparison.