Not a huge gap in shitty defense there bud.

And we still went to OT in the AFCCG, started the season 9-1, and your team is already 1-4.

**** it still blows my mind we lost a game while scoring 52 points.

Nah, not a huge gap. Bengals are giving up 100 less yards per game through 5 but they're giving up just over 3 more points per game.

You can look at 1-4 and say suuuuuuuuuuucks but a 4th and 16 penalty by a stupid rookie and a dropped snap by a rookie holder is the difference between that and 3-2. Two plays have made that much difference.

What about his fumble and standing there getting sacked on 3rd down in KC? What about his int that gave away the ball to Lamar in the 4th?

Stats don't make the greatest. Wake me up when he gets a ring or MVP or even a division title again.

True.

We never have penalties and unforced errors.

So obviously things are COMPLETELY different for Joey Brrrrr....

Both games, they were 1 play away from a win.

KC - after the fumble they drove down and took the lead.
Balt - after the INT they had a FG att in OT to win the game. (after Lahmuuur fumbled, btw).

ohio deserves all of their failures.

Never said the greatest. Just better right now.

Burrow would need 2 SB wins, an MVP and SB MVP to even begin to say he's approaching Mahomes level.

Mahomes is so far ahead of anyone playing QB right now as the "greatest" it's not even funny, or a race at this point. No one is close.

None of that matters.

Late 4th quarter, 4th 16 penalty when the game would have been over. Being over and still time to play are worlds apart. Every team has mistakes. I'm talking about a game being over on one play.

Damn right. I'll be leaving this shithole of a state to head home in about 2 minutes.

Didn't some Bengals fan guarantee us that Burrow would win more SB rings than Mahomes? Was that you rfaulk?

Without the penalty, Rice catches the ball.

The problem was that your underneath DB gave the rookie no choice but to play through the receiver. It wasn't a stupid penalty on the rookies part; he did everything he could do there to try to salvage an impossible situation.

It was an execution error that cost you the game. Same thing that usually costs teams the game when you're nursing a 1-score lead into the waning minutes against a superior QB.

If he follows that path at least you can look forward to one SB and four league MVPs.

We get it. KC was an offsides away from denying Brady his sixth ring.

Don't tell Baltimore and Buffalo fans that.

Technically, the Patriots could probably say the same thing.

Definitely a very thin margin between success and failure in the NFL.

You make a couple of unstated assumptions here. First, you assume that if the "stupid rookie" hadn't committed DPI, the receiver would not have caught the ball for a first down.

Second, you assume that if the rookie holder had not fumbled the snap, that the kicker would have made the field goal.

These are some pretty big assumptions. You conclude by saying two plays made the difference, but with those assumptions in place, there is much more than two plays that are the difference.

I was just coming here to say that :thumb:

Not that i can recall but i wouldn't put anything past me.

He doesn't have to play through the receiver. If he has any kind of awareness, he plays it on the side to completetely avoid going through the receiver.

The sad part is, he wasn't even aware a receiver was right in front of him because he "was playing the ball".

Honestly though, i put more on Lou for only rushing 3. Pre-snap i thought, "that's a bad idea".

I try not to talk to legitimate dummies.

Oh, there's teams every year that can say that. It just amplifies how razor thin the difference between winning and losing is.

We are in the middle of a dynasty run and you are here talking shit about Joe's meaningless stats. Dummy is you.

I don't think they're that big. I use the rookie because he was the one that committed the foul. If the 4th and 16 is executed better by all involved is a better way to say it. I wasn't happy at all that Lou only rushed 3 to give Pat all day to throw.

I don't remember the specifics but they threw up a couple stats about Evan in that situation and it's a pretty safe bet to say he would have made it. He's made all of his 50+ yarders this year and there was no wind at the time of the kick.

Think minds smart alike. :thumb:

But i'm not legit. My game is temporary.

So is Sam Darnold I guess...or he was last I checked but I don't want him.

This discussion is a little bit of whatever makes you feel better.

I think there was a yr Alex Smith led the league in QB rating or was close to it & at no point did I ever entertain that he was the best in the league & proceeding to flop in the playoffs as he typically did.

The point isn't to compare Joe to Alex but rather to say that production is important but critical thinking has to enter into it as well.

Mahommes #'s are not good rn & I couldn't care less. He knows how to finish games & will be locked in in the po's. IDK what it would take for me to actually be worried, it's inconceivable to fathom frankly, not that you were positing that.

I agree with you about the Bengals situation in that the record has swung the wrong way on a few pivotal plays - it's clearly not your average 1-4 team, but *insert Parcells quote*. They are capable of turning it around, no idea if they will but I wouldn't bet against it.

If I were starting a franchise & couldn't have Patrick I would want Joe.

I think Zac Taylor's probably run its course there & a change would be best for all parties. I'm sure the contract issues have affected the locker room (?) so it may not be fair to him but it is what it is at some point.

But again - he was the nearest guy with a chance to make the play, but he's not the guy that caused the play to happen.

I don't know who the DB was, but there was a guy who was going to be right in that throwing lane and either he drifted with Mahomes movement or he was tracking his eyes - in either event, the underneath DB moved and created that lane for Rice.

Once that happened, the defense had failed. It was now compromised. And Mahomes saw it.

Now you have a rookie where he had to make an incredibly difficult play that's a bang/bang pass breakup even if he does everything absolutely perfectly. He had to come screaming downhill from his deep safety position and Rice was posting up. This idea that he could've just come around him pretty much ignores basic physics.

Rice had put his body right between where the ball and the DB were. The DB really had no choice but to try to play through him and the only way he could've done that was to time it perfect. And that's borderline impossible playing at full speed.

I said it at the time - it's no different than a well executed blitz that puts an OL on an island and gives him no choice but to hold and hope he doesn't get caught. That DB was put into a nasty, nasty situation by a really good play by Mahomes and the other DB on that side of the field sinking on the underneath pass catcher a bit (I think it may have been Perine).

Blaming a safety for a not breaking up an in-cut that started 10 yards underneath him is missing the mark, IMO. That's simply not his man. You don't ask safeties to make that play because most of the time, the penalty (or reception) is what happens.

That's the nature of the beast now that DBs are so frequently penalized for separating a guy from the ball by just driving through his spleen. And 10 years ago, that's what you'd have had happen there. But now, that safety is in no man's land.

I didn’t read this but I gave it a thumbs up, because I assume it’s DJ obliterating rfaulk again.

The best QB doesn't start 1-4...

Eh, not really.

Just a slight disagreement.

I think Bengals fans are, for the most part, being pretty hard on their rookie there. He almost made an incredible play. One that he should've never been asked to make and one where the flag doesn't always come.

With the set of options he had in front of him, he pretty much did all you could reasonably ask him to do and was an eyelash away from a perfect PBU or a no-call that might've won them the game.

I also think that, in so doing, they don't give enough credit to Mahomes (or blame to Lou and the DB that put the safety in that spot).

That game wasn't about a dumb rookie committing an unnecessary penalty. It was about a generational QB buying space/time and then having the vision to hit his guy right in the pocket that space created, thus putting that safety in a position to have to make a miracle play. He didn't make it and they lost. But it wasn't for lack of effort or ability on that play - he did everything he could.

Mahomes was just being Mahomes.

Next time be up by more than 2 in that spot. It's evergreen advice for teams going against PM, really...

I disagree with the highlighted. He had time. He just wasn't aware a receiver was right in front of him and admitted as much in an interview.

https://i.ibb.co/nDN8CX5/geno-stone.jpg

He had time to make an adjustment but i don't really want to just focus on one player and put it all on him. It was poor execution all around. From rushing 3 to guys leaving their zone. Like this guy, Geno Stone. He was in a good position but when Pat threw the ball i guess he was trying to jump a route and ended up in no-man's land when the ball arrived, leaving the rookie out to dry.

https://i.ibb.co/vxDppNN/vacate.jpg

4th and 16 is a low percentage conversion. If they simply execute, the game is over. Going back to 2013, 4th and 15+ is converted at a 13.9% rate.

That's the guy - didn't realize it was Geno Stone (who's ballhawking tendencies will get him in trouble at times).

And when I watched the play, he'd actually sold out BEFORE Mahomes threw the ball, that was what yielded the throw to begin with. He had that angle to break on a ball intended for Rice but seemed to see Perine and started leaking down.

To me, he was the guy that truly gacked that play. And I just never saw anyone mention it. And as I'm watching it, I'm just sitting there thinking "no way, that guy had a play on the ball had he not gotten too eager - he hung the other guy out to dry..."

Mahomes saw it and suddenly the odds of that play being broken up reduced to damn near zero.

As for the rookie, I just think he's breaking down as he gets there in that screen capture. He came upfield awfully hot. I just don't know how you break down AND get around a body like that.

That's kind of been the MO of this defense. Guys trying to do too much instead of just executing their assignment. Certain safeties, you can live with the ballhawking stuff. I think Stone's INTs last year were more a product of the players around him. He can't do that this year.

Without looking at the actual numbers, I'm betting that Mahomes' conversion rate on 4th and 16, or similar, is better than that rate. One thing I learned in watching Patrick play QB is not to give up on a play like that because Patrick has a way of making it happen.

Faulker, c’mon pal. Buck up and move on! Mahomes is the best!!!!!

No doubt. That's why i didn't like the 3 man rush. They needed to speed him up, not let him sit back and scan the field.

I wouldnt...he has yet to throw a 4th quarter TD in the post-season. That's a pretty important stat...being that he's played in 7 games.

I'd take Josh Allen...when he's on...he can go toe-to toe with Mahomes. The only QB in the NFL that I can say that about...if he were in the NFC, he would playing the Chiefs fairly often in the SB.

That league wide stat doesn't mean anything. Mahomes breaks the rules on those stats. Best of All time on long conversions

That's probably the ONE situation you send the house on Pat

Asking for six points with X out there.

Honestly, he probably moved Stone with his eyes. Again, regardless of anything, you execute a 4th and 16 very low percentage conversion play, game over in your favor. I'll take a 4th 16 every single time at the end of a game.

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cooked!

Alex Smith had decent stats too, some guys simply can’t win the big games though.

And really, that is all that matters.

Lamar Jackson’s MVPs really don’t mean anything either.

Yeah, i wouldn't send everyone. I'd rush 4 with spy 5 yds off the LoS, have the guys up front both run stunts to muddy the pocket, bring the 5th guy up after the line has moved a bit and put 4 across the field a couple yards in front of the 1st down marker with 2 behind them a bit behind the marker.

The spy would be the key. Once the front runs their stunts and the oline starts engaging, he has the ability to see if there's an opening to press or to just mirror at the LoS.

You all keep bringing up Alex Smith. He doesn't belong in a conversation with Burrow.

Go Daniel Jones!!!

FYP

What happened in the series after the Bengals won 3 in a row?

He has a great passer rating and a 1-4 record??? That's sooooo cool!

Somebody should give him a nickname to show how cool that is!

The Chiefs won the Super Bowl, which is the same thing that happens after we beat you. Now piss off.

They have the same amount of rings :shrug:

Here’s what separates elite QBs like Mahomes/Brady/Montana and good/great QBs like a Burrow/Marino/Rodgers. The elite ones might not always put up the best stats game in and game out or per season, but there’s no one who’s more dangerous with the ball in their hand with the game on the line.

A great example was the last SB. When KC needed a FG to tie it up and go to OT there was little doubt Mahomes was going to do it. Even the refs commented on that when SF had the ball around the 2 minute warning.

Then after SF gets a FG in overtime essentially everyone hoped KC would fail, but deep down they knew how it would end because Mahomes, when it matters the most is inevitable.

So congrats on Burrow’s numbers under pressure.

This is all more to show how cooked he is after the wrist injury.

lol. I knew you were going to mention the SB, that's why i changed what i originally posted to add "in the series".

:LOL:

I've mentioned this several times.

Ok. **** it. I'll just stop posting because there's nothing i can say since all that matters is SBs.

Have a nice life!

:rolleyes:

drama much?

Oh now don’t be dramatic. I acknowledged Burrow as good to great.

I thought that post was pretty accurate. The elite QBs really shine when it matters most.

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I'll admit it was a weak leaving forever but it was just Clay bait.

As if.

1-4

I remember caring about "stats" once upon a time

The elite still need a line to give them time. I've said since i've been here, just give Joe some average protection and he'll do the rest. So the Bengals give him better protection, he shines and their defense is dog shit.

Chiefs offense goes in the tank and they just happen to get an elite defense to pick up the slack. ****ing anoyyyyyyyyying.

But it just highlights what i've also said before. Your FO is way ahead of the Bengals in talent evaluation.

Joe still cooked?

Of course you cared about stats, when they favored your player. When they don't you just move the goal post. Easy peasy.

You wouldn't understand. When you win title after title after title. All that matters is the postseason. Baltimore and SanFransisco were "historically great" so were the Eagles the year prior. Bills were "red hot". None of that mattered.

it wouldnt be the same without you guys in the playoffs..Fix yo shit

You're right about the elite FO, but they're not alone. Elite QB, elite head coach, elite GM all make for a team that will annoy the opposition. You have to remember though that all of the elite QBs find ways to annoy the opponent by coming up clutch in the big moment. They calm down and execute at the exact moment that the rest of us let the moment dominate us.

Fans that are okay with stats, but not winning is mind boggling. Chief fans did the same with Alex Smith, that’s why I was constantly bitching. Fans praised Alex bc he had good stats too. I can’t even start threads bc Alex Smith ****ing sucks.

Joe Burrow is a good QB, but what does stats matter if he can’t give over that hump?

Good for him and his stats, I guess lol.

Burrow=Rivers

I never cared about stats, but people use them for some reason. Stats are so misconstrued they should never be used in debates. So many different variables come into play with stats.

Stats are for suckers. Chargers missed the playoffs with the number 1 offense and defense. Bengals don't have a defense, so it could get ugly when that wrist flares up again

That’s what pisses me off about 49ers fans and Purdy. If they would just admit that their team is designed around a narrow window until Purdy gets his millions then it’d be fine. Instead it’s all this “Our QB has the highest passer rating!! He’s actually better than Mahomes!!”

And no matter how many times he comes up short in the end they’ll never stop ****ing that stat chicken

Watch what happens when the Bengals let BOTH receivers walk.

Suddenly you'll learn how Mahomes has been living since 2021.

Bout the same so far tho.

Yeah, I think you're right. Even in college he had awesome WR's. I don't think he could do it with average WR's. He's never had that situation. :shrug:

Even without a wrist flare up, it could be bad. The Bengals have already lost 4, and that division is going cannibalize each other. Even with the Browns being subpar, they'll factor in the equation. It's going to be hard for the Bengals to make the playoffs. They'll have a hard time going 10 -2 or 9-3 the rest of the way, and that's what it's going to take for them to get in.

Not to mention easier schedules. The Chiefs have won the AFC west in every year of Mahomes' career, so he has played a first place schedule every single season.

Burrow started playing in 2020 and he has only faced a 1st place schedule twice, and in one of those 2 seasons he was out most of the season. In every other season of his career he has faced a last place schedule.