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WhawhaWhat 07-24-2015 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 11615271)
The problem with counting on Medlen as a starter is that I'm not sure how many folks have been decent starters after 2, not 1 but 2, TJ's. Currently I want to say it's only Chris Capuano who has hardly been Ron Guidry. I know Daniel Hudson had 2 and he was a pretty up and coming pitcher, but 2 years later he's still a middle relief guy

Did Gil Meche have 2 TJ surgeries? He had a lot of surgeries so I may get them mixed up.

Silock 07-24-2015 07:27 AM

I want Cueto more than anything.

We saw what a dominant pitcher could do last year in the World Series. Get one of those, and we have a REALLY good shot.

Anyong Bluth 07-24-2015 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11615338)
Would love Shields but can't justify the salaries he's due.

San Diego would have to eat part of his salary, and the talk has been they would at the very least be picking up a quarter of his contract.

The good and bad of it is that as of right now there's been almost zero word of any teams even sniffing around to scout his starts and kick the tires. San Diego also seems to really want to blow it all up and start fresh. You could maybe squeeze them to take on a greater % of his salary, but I think that tips the scale in terms of what talent you give up in exchange.

He's, what, 33? He still has 3 years left on his contract, so there's not going to be many teams jumping at the chance to acquire him. Yankees or Red Sox simply because they are working with a lot more payroll.

I omit the Dodgers, but only because I think they are more interested in putting that money in trying to keep Greinke around, and they are loaded in their farm system. If they going to acquire anyone with a number of years still under contract it would be Hammels. 2 birds one stone as he's an immediate upgrade for this year, and some insurance if Zach walks.

So, is James going to be worth anything over the life of his contract when he's pitched a ton and been a workhorse? By then 35-36. If the Padres cover 1/3 of the money he's due, you're looking at about $12 million per. Plus, whatever you have to give up in talent.

Chief_For_Life58 07-24-2015 08:14 AM

trade hosmer to the mets for one of their young pitchers?

Anyong Bluth 07-24-2015 08:17 AM

Looking at the numbers side by side, I'd say the market for Cueto has been fairly set in expected compensation unless teams get in a bidding war and the price goes up as 1 of the top 3 guys is off the table.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...1ca3803c70.jpg

I think the main competition is going to be Toronto. I think the Dodgers are focused on Hammels, but if not they have so much farm talent no one can outbid them.

I know he's only a rental, but all things being equal I would bet the Cubs or Cards are at the bottom of the Red's list for trade partners.

Hootie 07-24-2015 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58 (Post 11615421)
trade hosmer to the mets for one of their young pitchers?

Not only would the Mets not do that, but ... What? No way. Hosmer is a huge clubhouse guy. We're not trying to decimate the team here

BigMeatballDave 07-24-2015 08:37 AM

Today is the 32nd anniversary of George Brett's Pine Tar HR.

BigMeatballDave 07-24-2015 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58 (Post 11615421)
trade hosmer to the mets for one of their young pitchers?

:spock: That's just crazy.

BigMeatballDave 07-24-2015 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 11615293)
Does anyone else notice anything unusual about this post?

LOL You mean other than the proper grammar?

RockChalk 07-24-2015 09:40 AM

Why a legitimately good team like the Royals would ever waste a roster spot is beyond me. And that is exactly what Dusty Coleman is. He isn't even average at one skill set. It pisses me off that he was even an option for us last night.

Hootie 07-24-2015 09:43 AM

but it's 1 game in an NL park ... it was just dumb ****ing luck we had to turn to Dusty Coleman ...

BUT EVEN THEN, we had runners at 2nd and 3rd with the top of our order and Esky couldn't get it done, either

Esky has been remarkable in those spots this year (mainly with 2 outs) but he's just not the guy I want up at the plate in that situation, either.

I really hope Ned puts Gordon at lead off when Gordon gets back (if). Esky is a perfect #9 hitter with his speed if his ego allows it. You put Gordon at leadoff in that situation and he's either going to walk, or score that run. If he walks, Moose is another guy who is great in sac fly situations. So is Cain.

Love esky, he's just not the leadoff of this team when Gordon gets back.

Hootie 07-24-2015 09:44 AM

our ideal lineup assuming no additions

Gordon
Moose
Cain
Hosmer
Morales
Rios
Perez
Infante
Esky

Pitt Gorilla 07-24-2015 09:46 AM

I wouldn't want to give up Mondesi for a rental.

KChiefs1 07-24-2015 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11615637)
but it's 1 game in an NL park ... it was just dumb ****ing luck we had to turn to Dusty Coleman ...

BUT EVEN THEN, we had runners at 2nd and 3rd with the top of our order and Esky couldn't get it done, either

Esky has been remarkable in those spots this year (mainly with 2 outs) but he's just not the guy I want up at the plate in that situation, either.

I really hope Ned puts Gordon at lead off when Gordon gets back (if). Esky is a perfect #9 hitter with his speed if his ego allows it. You put Gordon at leadoff in that situation and he's either going to walk, or score that run. If he walks, Moose is another guy who is great in sac fly situations. So is Cain.

Love esky, he's just not the leadoff of this team when Gordon gets back.


Ned isn't putting Gordon at leadoff.

Hootie 07-24-2015 09:47 AM

Rios since July 1st has a .910 OPS with only 7 K's and 4 SB's

as hard as I was on the guy, we aren't going to be upgrading the OF

we need a utility guy like Prado, a veteran, if possible. Not really a necessity, but would be nice.

Mostly, we need starting pitching. I'll go for JUST Cueto or 2 of Latos/Leake/Gallardo. When September comes around, if Fuenmayor is still raping he can be our Willingham and I assume Gore will be back.


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