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L.A. Chieffan 01-05-2013 12:00 AM

McNabb was an overrated choker. Gowalrus told me that.

beach tribe 01-05-2013 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9283802)
Agree, but you must have players to win. My point is Reid's trend is to go out any buy players on the FA market rather than build from great drafting.

I'm not sure Clark is going to open the checkbook like the Eagles did.

Clark has never shown any sign that he has a problem opening up his wallet.
Quite the opposite really. I have Zero doubt that Reid will get anything and everything he feels like he needs to win.

BradBigglestein 01-05-2013 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by slimdagreat (Post 9283983)
well what's the criteria then because he also picked 18 players that played in at least 100 games (indicating they were good enough to stick for several seasons) and 9 were on offense and 9 were on defense.

Reid has had some success with late round picks over the years. A lot of them were not great, but merely started because the other players were so poor. A big problem with Reid is he drafted some decent players, but very few franchise defensive players. Corey Simon and Trent Cole were it really.

Just to name some high draft picks that didn't work out. I don't usually point out the mid to late round picks because they are hit and miss anyway.

Quinton Caver
Jerome McDouble
Matt McCoy
Stewart Bradley
Victor Abiamiri
Brandon Graham
Jaiquawn Jarrett
Nate Allen
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
Bryan Smith
Chris Gocong
Matt Ware

Those are all rounds 1-3. So I didn't even go into round 4. None of those players have worked out for the Eagles and the only ones remaining on the roster are Graham and Allen. Allen will probably be cut.

slimdagreat 01-05-2013 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BradBigglestein (Post 9284001)
Reid has had some success with late round picks over the years. A lot of them were not great, but merely started because the other players were so poor.

If Philly didn't have the 6th most wins of any team since 1999 I'd agree with you. If you have a pereneal playoff team and you're playing in 100 games even if most of them are with a different team it's a good pick

Bump 01-05-2013 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9283568)
Chiefs Playoff wins: 8

Andy Reid Playoff wins: 10

Sold.

Pretty much this.

The thing about winning a Superbowl, a little luck is involved and the more times you get to the playoffs, the more chances you have to winning it.

slimdagreat 01-05-2013 12:11 AM

I'm not the biggest Andy Reid fan don't get me wrong. I'd rather have him running things than Pioli but I think you guys are trying to over critique his draft history to make a point. He's had some misses as have most coaches/GMs but I think his hits show he's a pretty good judge of talent.

BradBigglestein 01-05-2013 12:13 AM

I'm not trying to make any point. I have said he is a good hire. I think drafting is a weakness of his. If he surrounds himself with good talent evaluators and scouts, it may not be an issue.

I'm an Eagles fan and I look at it completely objectively. I'd say drafting is a weakness of his. There is no bias on my end at all. Jim Johnson did a great job molding a defense out of inferior talent at times. When he passed away you saw how greatly the defense fell apart.

FloridaMan88 01-05-2013 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BradBigglestein (Post 9284015)
I'm not trying to make any point. I have said he is a good hire. I think drafting is a weakness of his. If he surrounds himself with good talent evaluators and scouts, it may not be an issue.

I'm an Eagles fan and I look at it completely objectively. I'd say drafting is a weakness of his. There is no bias on my end at all. Jim Johnson did a great job molding a defense out of inferior talent at times. When he passed away you saw how greatly the defense fell apart.

Any draft weakness is negated significantly if John Dorsey is hired to be GM.

Red Dawg 01-05-2013 12:25 AM

All of a sudden reid has flaws on this board. All coaches have flaws. Reid kept his gig for fourteen years. Most of them were playoff years. I am thrilled to have a coach with his track record.

Titty Meat 01-05-2013 12:29 AM

It's weird seeing people on here defend a Chiefs head coach. I bet it's never happened before.

ClevelandBronco 01-05-2013 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BradBigglestein (Post 9284001)
Reid has had some success with late round picks over the years. A lot of them were not great, but merely started because the other players were so poor. A big problem with Reid is he drafted some decent players, but very few franchise defensive players. Corey Simon and Trent Cole were it really.

Just to name some high draft picks that didn't work out. I don't usually point out the mid to late round picks because they are hit and miss anyway.

Quinton Caver
Jerome McDouble
Matt McCoy
Stewart Bradley
Victor Abiamiri
Brandon Graham
Jaiquawn Jarrett
Nate Allen
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
Bryan Smith
Chris Gocong
Matt Ware

Those are all rounds 1-3. So I didn't even go into round 4. None of those players have worked out for the Eagles and the only ones remaining on the roster are Graham and Allen. Allen will probably be cut.

No problem. Reid won't need a defense. It's not like there's a team in the AFC West that can score a lot of points. :D

Bump 01-05-2013 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BradBigglestein (Post 9284015)
I'm not trying to make any point. I have said he is a good hire. I think drafting is a weakness of his. If he surrounds himself with good talent evaluators and scouts, it may not be an issue.

I'm an Eagles fan and I look at it completely objectively. I'd say drafting is a weakness of his. There is no bias on my end at all. Jim Johnson did a great job molding a defense out of inferior talent at times. When he passed away you saw how greatly the defense fell apart.

most Chiefs fans, that have been around a while, have a pr-condidtioned thing
in their brains that make them extremely pessimistic. It's easy to look for all of his faults and expect that to happen to us, since you know, we've been burned in the past. A lot.

mcaj22 01-05-2013 12:54 AM

maybe/maybe not to Jeremy Maclin?

what are you ****ing stupid? Do you know how good Maclin is considering age/potential and how long hes been in the league with production

that's a HIT ON A RS SOPHOMORE COMING INTO THE NFL. The guy is only 24 and has plenty of production already

Bump 01-05-2013 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9284111)
maybe/maybe not to Jeremy Maclin?

what are you ****ing stupid? Do you know how good Maclin is considering age/potential and how long hes been in the league with production

that's a HIT ON A RS SOPHOMORE COMING INTO THE NFL. The guy is only 24 and has plenty of production already

ya, he's pretty good

mcaj22 01-05-2013 12:57 AM

this thread just puts in perspective how AWFUL Scott Pioli's 4 draft years have been

MAYBE NOT TO JEREMY MACLIN AS A SLIGHT TO ANDY REID

BUT WE HAVE JON ****ING BALDWIN AND DEXTER MCCLUSTER. If Maclin is a maybe not what the hell are those ****ing turds.


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