What does this mean? I don't know anything about biking or race strategy.

It doesn't really make any sense. The grupetto is the group of riders behind the peloton (the big group).

Yeah I always hit the brakes ascending Alpe d' Huez.

How many convicted or implicated dopers do you see on this list?

Ascent timesRank Time Name Year Nationality
01 37' 35" Marco Pantani 1997 Italy
02* 37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
03 38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
04 38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
05 38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
06 38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
07 38' 34" Floyd Landis 2006 United States
08 38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
09* 38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
10 39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France
11 39' 06" Iban Mayo 2003 Spain
12* 39' 17" Andreas Klöden 2004 Germany
13* 39' 21" Jose Azevedo 2004 Portugal
14 39' 28" Miguel Induráin 1995 Spain
15 39' 28" Alex Zülle 1995 Switzerland
16 39' 30" Bjarne Riis 1995 Denmark
17 39' 31" Carlos Sastre 2008 Spain
18 39' 44" Gianni Bugno 1991 Italy
19 39' 45" Miguel Induráin 1991 Spain
20 40' 00" Jan Ullrich 2001 Germany
21 40' 46" Fränk Schleck 2006 Luxembourg
22 40' 51" Alexander Vinokourov 2003 Kazakhstan
23 41' 18" Lance Armstrong 2003 United States
24 41' 21" Samuel Sánchez 2011 Spain
25 41' 30" Alberto Contador 2011 Spain
26 41' 46" Cadel Evans 2008 Australia
27 41' 50" Laurent Fignon 1989 France
28 41' 50" Luis Herrera 1987 Colombia
29 41' 57" Pierre Rolland 2011 France
30 42' 15" Pedro Delgado 1989 Spain
31 43' 12" Ryder Hesjedal 2011 Canada
32 43' 12" Thomas Danielson 2011 United States
33 45' 20" Gert-Jan Theunisse 1989 Netherlands
34 45' 22" Fausto Coppi 1952 Italy
35 48' 00" Bernard Hinault 1986 France
36 48' 00" Greg Lemond 1986 United States


Hint...all the top ten

Armstrong is a fraud.
He cheated real athletes

WADA has ruled that USADA had jurisdiction, Armstrong's refusal to contest USADA's findings is basically an admission (like refusing a breathalyzer on a traffic stop) and the world court is not heavily biased to get past the EPO era like the ICF is. Then of course there's the small matter that the Americans are the ones who are recommending that another American, due to overwhelming proof, be stripped of the record 7 titles.

LMAO Looks like Lance busted half a nut on graystroke's girlfriend. Did Lance break your heart? The day you found out did you rip all his posters off your wall and swear you would never stalk him again?

No, I was asking what new evidence you think that USADA has that proves that Armstrong doped. I haven't seen what that is. Have you? If they have a positive, why wasn't it found before?

he's describing something that is thought to be not physiologically possible for a clean, non-doped human being.

Armstrong failed tests during his 2009 and 2010 comeback attempts.

Then there's the long parade of witnesses, including teammates, going back to 1998. Above all of that, is the blatantly obvious fact that Armstrong could not have possibly beaten a field full of cheaters, by only a few minutes, not hours so that you'd think he's some crazy mutant species of human, during those 7 years.

None of us do. There probably aren't 10 people on this site that truly know the sport.

That's my point.

It's why people do cheat.

After 5 years it doesn't impact anyone other than YOU the athlete. Only you lose.

Why do you feel a need to defend an obvious cheater who is lying about it?

Link?

You mean a list of cyclists who DID get positives, were banned, denied it and then came clean? You consider those to be reliable witnesses?

That doesn't make any sense, either. In fact, it seems to negate your argument. If he HAD beaten all these dopers by hours and not minutes, your argument might make sense. He didn't. He also always had a VERY strong team riding for him. Only in the individual TTs is it a non-team sport. Even then, teamates will support the leader.

Why do you feel the need to represent your opinion as fact?

Nah, I wish. Then perhaps my offspring would have been better cyclists.

I just like fair sport.


Cycling is dirty. But Lance really shit in the tub.

Other than enjoying how much he pissed off the Frogs, I never gave a crap about Armstrong or cycling one way or another.

Your speculation is duly noted.