We don't...we'd get in WITH the Titans.

Division tiebreakers are applied first. Then the Conference record.

I can't root for the Broncos. I just can't.

Hadn't thought of that... If both Cinci AND the Jets lose out, there are ways we could end up either:

5. KC
6. Denver

or

5. Tenn
6. KC

I like that A LOT.

But with Cincinatti in a different division wouldn't the AFC record apply instead?

No, but all of this talk doesn't matter as the Chiefs aren't making the playoffs. We should just deal with it, and move on.

Only against ours. So they would be seeded higher than us. But we HAVE to be seeded higher than Denver because division record is more important than conference record according to NFL tiebreaker rules.


RULES FOR WILDCARD TIEBREAKER:
Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

If this were any other type of BB, I'd agree with you. We're barking up a very big tree here. But it's not like the tree doesn't exist, and this IS a CHIEFS Bulletin Board.

I will keep the hope alive until the math says stop. :p

ok thanks.... but i'm still rooting for the bengals.

Things are getting clearer and clearer. Tomorrow night is the point of no return. If the Jets lose, we have a lot of outs. Like drawing to an open ended straight flush, but only one card to come. Not likely, but HUGE if it hits.


If Miami wins Monday

week 17)
Pitt @ Cin <-- Need this and/or Oakland Win
Jack @ KC <-- MUST HAPPEN
Oak @ NYJ <-- Need this and/or Pitt Win
NE @ Ten <-- MUST HAPPEN
SF @ Den <-- Need this if either Cin or Jets win
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If NYJ win on Monday

week 17)
Pitt @ Cin <-- MUST HAPPEN
Jack @ KC <-- MUST HAPPEN
NE @ Ten <-- MUST HAPPEN
SF @ Den <-- MUST HAPPEN

That my friend is not a good thing. KC's playoff's will be known most likely before late games.

this can't be right

Denver can clinch a wildcard spot and not hurt the Chief at all
Pitsburgh can only finish 8-8 thus not affecting the Chiefs at 9-7
Buffalo con only finish 8-8 thus not affecting the Chiefs at 9-7

However the Jets need to lose both games and the Bengals need to lose both games ...a tall order for Oakland to beat NY but not so tall for cinci to lose to Pitsburgh

IF N.Y. JETS BEAT MIAMI

Kansas City can clinch a playoff berth with:

* A win and a Cincinnati loss or tie and a Denver loss and a Tennessee loss or tie

more than likely the road that leads to a dead end

;o