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vailpass 01-25-2007 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Silock
Protect your own from . . . consenting sexual behavior? Is that REALLY what you're suggesting?

Perhaps the practices of two married people should be regulated, you know, to protect your own.

If a 14 year old girl consents to have sex with an 18 year old man that is socially unacceptable and yes I absolutely am suggesting it continue to be regulated.
Are you suggesting differently?

Silock 01-25-2007 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass
If a 14 year old girl consents to have sex with an 18 year old man that is socially unacceptable and yes I absolutely am suggesting it continue to be regulated.
Are you suggesting differently?

It already is regulated, and yes, I find that acceptable, however, it's not exactly within the scope of the discussion, which was a consenting 17 and consenting 15 year old.

jrowe 01-25-2007 11:19 AM

Age of consent has been around forever. Based on age and maturity, children lack the ability to knowingly consent to many things. For example, contracts aren't legally enforceable if signed by a minor. Why? Under the law, they lack the ability to truly understand the nature of their actions and the obligations that follow. Age of consent laws dealing with sex do the same thing. Save kids from themselves that don't know better. So, the whole "she initiated it/volunteered it" line doesn't work. Where would you then draw the next line. If not at 15 or 16 then what. How old should children be before they can legally consent to sex? You have to draw the line somewhere, and it seems to be reasonable where they drew the line.

Also, look at the facts of the case. Weed, booze, orgy, camera 15 y/o. Clearly guilty under the law. Offfered a plea after conviction. Would already be out now.

Yes, his punishment is onerous and excessive, but he is not the victim he is portrayed as. He is an individual that made poor choices in the first place and continues to do so.

Silock 01-25-2007 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jrowe
Age of consent has been around forever. Based on age and maturity, children lack the ability to knowingly consent to many things. For example, contracts aren't legally enforceable if signed by a minor. Why? Under the law, they lack the ability to truly understand the nature of their actions and the obligations that follow. Age of consent laws dealing with sex do the same thing. Save kids from themselves that don't know better. So, the whole "she initiated it/volunteered it" line doesn't work. Where would you then draw the next line. If not at 15 or 16 then what. How old should children be before they can legally consent to sex? You have to draw the line somewhere, and it seems to be reasonable where they drew the line.

Also, look at the facts of the case. Weed, booze, orgy, camera 15 y/o. Clearly guilty under the law. Offfered a plea after conviction. Would already be out now.

Yes, his punishment is onerous and excessive, but he is not the victim he is portrayed as. He is an individual that made poor choices in the first place and continues to do so.

They're both minors. You must not have gotten any action in high school, because every single minute of every single day, some high school kids, somewhere, are ****ing each other. It's naive to think that passing laws is going to regulate it among minors.

jrowe 01-25-2007 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Silock
They're both minors. You must not have gotten any action in high school, because every single minute of every single day, some high school kids, somewhere, are ****ing each other. It's naive to think that passing laws is going to regulate it among minors.


So an 8 and 10 year old can vidotape themselves engaging in sex acts? If they do it voluntarily, they might as well sell it too and make some money. Just because both are minors and consent does not make it right or legal. Under your logic child porn could easily be legalized too.

Lono 01-25-2007 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jrowe
So an 8 and 10 year old can vidotape themselves engaging in sex acts? If they do it voluntarily, they might as well sell it too and make some money. Just because both are minors and consent does not make it right or legal. Under your logic child porn could easily be legalized too.

Dont be another reerun. You have to display some common sense. A 15 yr old has the common sense to know if they want to get layed or not. Why not put the girl in jail too. He is in prison for screwing a girl under age. Isnt he under age too? Why isnt she in jail? She initiated it.

Btw no where in the article it states the boys supplied the booze and drugs. It actually says some girls came over and bourbon and marijuana were consumed.

Silock 01-25-2007 11:30 AM

That's not at all what I'm advocating, and you know it.

We're talking about high schoolers here. No, they're not adults, and sometimes, they don't think things through, but they're not naive like 8-10 year olds are. There isn't something magical about turning 18 that automatically makes you self-aware and more responsible. Just because high schoolers don't care about the consequences of their actions doesn't mean they aren't fully aware of them. They choose to ignore them.

It's one thing to blindly follow the letter of the law, but like you said... it doesn't make it right, or realistic. Millions of high schoolers blow each other every day and they still grow up to be well-adjusted adults. Placing some arbitrary age value upon when someone "knows" what consent is doesn't make any sense at all. If this were a case of an 8 and 10 year old, you'd be right, because biologically, they just aren't capable of understanding or really consenting. But we're talking about 15 and 17 year olds. Not at ALL the same thing.

Mr. Laz 01-25-2007 12:32 PM

if sexual contact between 17 and 15 year old teens is against the law then they need to separate their schooling.


imo a kid shouldn't be expected to ask for ID from the person sitting next to them in class before they makeout.

NewChief 01-25-2007 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz
if sexual contact between 17 and 15 year old teens is against the law then they need to separate their schooling.


imo a kid shouldn't be expected to ask for ID from the person sitting next to them in class before they makeout.

No kidding. Our school district is talking about going to a 9-12 high school. I really, really hope we don't, because 14 year old girls do not need to be hanging around with 17-18 year old guys on a daily basis, imo.

Hydrae 01-25-2007 12:50 PM

I just realized something, according to our last president, these two didn't even have sex. How can he be a sexual predator when he only got a hummer which, per the top man in the country at the time, is not sex! :)

HonestChieffan 01-25-2007 12:50 PM

Untill the last few years we never knew "middle school"...thats a new age education deal...all we had was 1-6...grade school, 7-8 Jr High and 9-12 High school.

Things go to shit when education PhD's start to think.

Humbly submitted.

BIG_DADDY 01-25-2007 01:03 PM

Out legal system has been getting more out of control by the year. Here is a great one.

16 year old to receive 90 years for looking at child porn?

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/LegalCenter/story?id=2785054

Swanman 01-25-2007 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lono
He is in prison for screwing a girl under age. Isnt he under age too? Why isnt she in jail? She initiated it.

That's where the story got real crazy for me. If he had actually screwed her, he wouldn't be in jail because that's considered just a misdemeanor. However, since it was oral sex, it's considered a felony in Georgia. The prosecutor should be thrown in prison for enforcing that reeruned law to the letter and not exercising one iota of common sense.

I believe we have a law, or at least used to, here in Illinois that stated oral sex was illegal, even among consenting adults. But it's never become an issue because people realize the law is too stupid to be enforced, so it's just a silly trivia question, not a means to lock up somebody for 10 years.

Silock 01-25-2007 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief
No kidding. Our school district is talking about going to a 9-12 high school. I really, really hope we don't, because 14 year old girls do not need to be hanging around with 17-18 year old guys on a daily basis, imo.

LOL

That statement struck me as funny, because I went to a school around here that was K-12, and some of the seniors were definitely nailing the freshmen girls.

CoMoChief 01-25-2007 03:17 PM

When he was a senior in high school, he received oral sex from a 10th grader. He was 17. She was 15. "Everyone, including the girl and the prosecution, agreed she initiated the act. But because of an archaic Georgia law, it was a misdemeanor for teenagers less than three years apart to have sexual intercourse, but a felony for the same kids to have oral sex."

Huh? Am I reading this right?


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