I think Sapp is a definite upgrade from what we're putting out their each week. Maybe if you stapled a Bob Evans coupon to the opposing WR's jersey they'd be more apt to stay on them, but they're just getting beat over and over. It's sad. And Pollard has been no gem at safety, he gets absolutely owned.

I'll admit to having an anti-Herm bias. I had it before he came. I tried to keep an open mind. But, every time Herm opens his mouth and talks about his philosophy on offense, it gets more conservative and worse performing. We did this voluntarily last year in the playoff game. The offense had been semi-effective with a mix of running and downfield passing. No one forced us to revert to a 100% sideways passing game then. But we did. And we opened the season that way too. Everything I see on the field week-after-week confirms my initial suspicions about Herm.

To elaborate just a bit more:

I have a preconception about Herm.
He says something (before the first game is played by his team) that reinforces my preconception.
The offensive philosophy on the field matches what Herm said he would do.
The offense performs poorly.
Herm says something else about the offense that further reinforces my preconception.
The offensive philosophy on the field matches what Herm said he would do.
The offense performs even more poorly.

Rinse and repeat.

What would a logical person conclude from this series of events? I conclude that my initial preconception was correct.

I know you're right on Pollard, but I'm still not ready to give up on him. He came out as a junior, and didn't play D last year. So we're seeing baptism by fire for a very young player at a position where every error is glaring.

Herms a bum, he shouldn't be coaching in the NFL period.
Im *****ing done with this team til changes are made.

Oh, I'm not giving up on him yet. He makes big plays sometimes..he's the next Greg Wesley in my opinion, but if he doesn't step it up substantially next preseason or year, I think he could be relegated to the ST squad, with occasional looks as a OLB.

Is somebody going to explain the whole "both barrels" concept? I'm still confused by the thread title.

Discuss.

I have less than zero faith in Carl, he should be fired, but I'm not confident he's going anywhere. And I think this could all blow up and we could be heading for a decade of garbage, but maybe not. You just don't know yet... a lot of it will probably depend on Croyle. The offensive line has to be fixed, quickly, or Herm probably won't make it beyond another year. And that's fine with me. I really am not going on some "real fan" tangent, I have nothing to rub in anyone's face. I don't blame people for not going to the games, I would have no desire to pay NFL ticket prices to see this team right now.

It's not even that, my biggest point would be, and I don't even want to say it... that the one thing I actually agree with Herm about is this team, as built right now, just can't open it up on offense. And that's probably 50% of the complaining on this board. Obviously you can't be run/run/pass totally predictable, but there have been times where we've passed the ball, opened it up, spread formations on 1st down, deep throws downfield, and just gotten clobbered. I just don't feel like arguing for 200 posts about it, there's just no point, which is why I don't even feel like posting. I lost faith in that after the Denver game. That was not a good defense, they gave up 44 points to Martz-ball the week before, so we opened it up, and their defense clobbered us, picked off Huard and Croyle both on deep balls, got sacks, fumbles, just clobbered us. Then the next week we went conservative against Indy and only lost by 3. Not that Herm handled the Indy game 100% correct, but you tell me which way suits this team better. In the ideal world, we'll address the offensive line and be able to open it up more next year. I don't think Herm is a gunslinger but I don't think he'd honestly be much worse than Cowher given similar talent. We'll see, I could be wrong.

Honestly, I think Carl might have beat the fanbase down far too much for Herm to ever have a chance. Which is too bad, but that's not totally Herm's fault. Trying to rebuild a roster with youth for the first time in the 27 year plan, nobody's gonna have the patience for that, fans or players.

Depends on your interpretation I guess (or how much you really hate Herm Edwards). Looks like Gonzalez just called out the offense itself and maybe Solari. He said he doesn't want to play this kind of football and doesn't think Herm wants to either.

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0% chance Ty Law is a Chief next year. I would like to cut Surtain as well. I actually think Benny Sapp can play one corner spot, although I know others disagree. We'll bring in a mid-level free agent and draft a guy on day 1.

The over-use of LJ argument is silly, in my opinion. LT had more touches last year if playoffs are included, I believe. And his injury was a blunt force injury and not a repetitive stress injury. The over-use was a result of Michael Bennett getting hurt and there being no one else on the roster who could carry the ball. As you said, Herm inherited a mess. He got Dee Brown who fumbled something like 2 of the 5 carries he was given.

As far as Herm losing the team, I see no evidence for this whatsoever. Losing in an NFL clubhouse is never easy, but I've seen no quotes - even anonymous ones - from players bashing Herm. Do you have information that I don't?
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they havent come out yelling aout him yet but only because he is black and they feel they will look bad.

Yepporoloyoyo.

FAX

I like out two young S's they I wouldn't give up on either of them just yet. We're gonna have to get younger a CB and we could still use a truely dominating DT. After that we need to fix our O line with FA's and there's some good ones who'll be available. There will be plenty of $$bucks availble this year so I don't see this as a long term rebuilding process. Hell the NFL isn't a long term game these days so I expect a big improvement in '08.

PhilFree:arrow:

It just sucks that our team is actually making a valid attempt to get younger all around, and some people can't appreciate that.

I love the fact that we have the most productive rookie WR in the league, and our defense if full of faces 30 years or younger. It's just gonna be a while before we get a competent young group of guys who can compete week in and week out.

If nothing else, you've got to applaud Herm for bringing in a slew of solid young guys to build a foundation upon. Even if he isn't the coach who sees that youth prosper.

take it sentence by sentence
 

“I’m tired of it and don’t want to play this style of football,” Chiefs tight end Tony Gonzalez said.

“It’s not what I’m into.

I don’t think Herm (Edwards) wants to.

We want to win. Let’s get it over with.

I don’t want to keep the game close until the second half because we’re a second-half team.

That’s bull.

Let’s just go out there and win a football game.



“Let’s get rid of that stress.

I’m tired of it.

I’m sitting on the sideline thinking,

‘Here we go again.’

You can’t help but let those thoughts creep into your mind.”

You are happy that they are young and will be here awhile?
god damn it this team is 4-8 i don't want them here along time, all this says it that were young and these bums are here to stay!
holy shit herm as got to go, Law is over the hill
I cannot stand another fourth and 4 with a 2 yard pass im gonna kill be myself. Solari should move to IRAQ and Herm can be his driver!!!

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