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Brock 03-28-2008 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4654042)
The first NE superbowl winning team was without "stars." The undefeated Dolphins had less "stars" than our Chiefs team has right now.

They also had great quarterbacks and great defenses.

Frankie 03-28-2008 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4654005)
Did you?

Moot question. I'm the one who is arguing for building the O-line first.

Mecca 03-28-2008 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4654042)
The first NE superbowl winning team was without "stars." The undefeated Dolphins had less "stars" than our Chiefs team has right now.

For the love of god do not compare 1972 to now, the league is completely different.

Mecca 03-28-2008 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4654045)
They also had great quarterbacks and great defenses.


Defensive stars don't count in Frankies mind.

melbar 03-28-2008 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4653995)
3rd?!.... He is projected in the high 2nd most every place I've looked!

I've just recently been seeing him drop because of questions about character being re-ignited because he was banned from Nebraskas pro-day for another character issue. Your probably right some team wont care...

Baby Lee 03-28-2008 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4654002)
He wants a team that gets killed by good teams every year........you aren't gonna win shit with no stars.

Argue for Oline constantly but Frankie guess what, there are numerous good times that spent exactly 0 first round picks on Olinemen.

You aren't gonna have any stars [at least on O] without QB protection.

And if there are teams that are good without high O-line picks, those same teams FOUND quality O-linemen somewhere. While there might be teams without high pick O-lineman, there aren't any with shitty O-lines.

Heck the difference between DV's offense and our present offense boils down more than ANYTHING to Roaf, with the degeneration of the rest of line a close second.

beach tribe 03-28-2008 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4654013)
I think he, along with a few others, have bought into the WPI "We have a good defense" line of bullcrap.

This D is a Sedric Ellis away from kicking ass.

You would also be blown away with what they could do if we could implement an offensive gameplan so they weren't on the field for 45 min.

Brock 03-28-2008 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 4654046)
Moot question. I'm the one who is arguing for building the O-line first.

Yes, potentially at the expense of getting something better.

beach tribe 03-28-2008 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 4654055)
You aren't gonna have any stars [at least on O] without QB protection.

And if there are teams that are good without high O-line picks, those same teams FOUND quality O-linemen somewhere. While there might be teams without high pick O-lineman, there aren't any with shitty O-lines.

Heck the difference between DV's offense and our present offense boils down more than ANYTHING to Roaf, with the degeneration of the rest of line a close second.

Can't argue with that.

Mecca 03-28-2008 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 4654062)
This D is a Sedric Ellis away from kicking ass.

You would also be blown away with what they could do if we could implement an offensive gameplan so they weren't on the field for 45 min.

The D that needs an entire new list of CB's needs atleast 2 new LB's and may need atleast 1 more safety?

Brock 03-28-2008 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 4654062)
This D is a Sadric away from kicking ass.

You would also be blown away with what they could do if we could implement an offensive gameplan so they weren't on the field for 45 min.

This team has one good linebacker and one good defensive lineman, and a bunch of question marks everywhere else. Wake up.

melbar 03-28-2008 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 4654062)
This D is a Sedric Ellis away from kicking ass.

You would also be blown away with what they could do if we could implement an offensive gameplan so they weren't on the field for 45 min.

Whats funny is that Herm blamed the high powered offense for putting the D on the field too much. :shake:

beach tribe 03-28-2008 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4654070)
The D that needs an entire new list of CB's needs atleast 2 new LB's and may need atleast 1 more safety?

You would hope that Herm could spot these role players somewhere in two or three drafts.:hmmm: HOPE being the key word. If we can't then we were never destined to win shit anyway.

beach tribe 03-28-2008 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4654071)
This team has one good linebacker and one good defensive lineman, and a bunch of question marks everywhere else. Wake up.

We have a lot of unspectaculars, but I believe with a few better players around them, they will be, if nothing else, solid starters.

melbar 03-28-2008 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4654071)
This team has one good linebacker and one good defensive lineman, and a bunch of question marks everywhere else. Wake up.

I count 3 very good D linemen and 2 good LB's. We have 1 good O-lineman.


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