Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5306405)

I would have to agree that Kurt Warner is basically a self-made QB. The guy was left for dead after his time with the New York Giants, and he's turned into an MVP candidate in Arizona.

He just seriously might be the most incredible NFL story ever.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 5306370)

Marino 'succeeded?' One rookie season SB loss [which per the Cowher rule doesn't count], and a career of playoff failure, culminating in the 50-0 playoff loss his final season.

Marino's the poster boy for RTFdom.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5306436)

Yeah, he's a franchise QB. This doesn't mean that you're 100 percent assured a SB victory, but it greatly increases your odds that it will happen.

Was Elway any better at the very end of his career when he finally got the victory? Not hardly. He was great long before this, and not winning the SB wouldn't have changed this fact.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5306455)

What a franchise QB does is allow you to have a chance to compete at a SB caliber level consistenly for a number of years, provided that you put the pieces in place elswhere.

Game managers of the world might have that one season where they overachieve, or the team around them plays historically good (like the Ravens defense).

But teams like that can not sustain excellence consistently through years.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5306485)

I agree with this completely.

A good question would be, can you (the Planet at large) name a franchise QB who never reached the SB? Don't have to win it. Just get there.

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock (Post 5306488)

Archie Manning.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5306504)

Hmmm...is this a franchise guy? Only two pro-bowl years, terrible TD-INT ratio, but played for the 'Aints. Tough call.

This is before my time, so I defer to the Skips on the board. :)

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock (Post 5306508)

IMO, he fits the definition of a Franchise QB. He just never had anything around him. :shrug:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5306516)

Then let's add him to the list. Others?

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5305797)

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Do you judge a season as a success by a Wild Card birth?

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Do you hate wide receivers?

Do you love coaches with a complete inability to spot talent at the running back position?

Do you think that 3-13 is better for the long term future of the franchise than 2-14?

Do you think the 2002 Bucs and 2000 Ravens are model NFL teams to aspire to?

Do you find playoff records to be irrelevant?

Do you believe that guards and right tackles should be taken with top five picks?

Do you believe that a quarterback is best served as a game manager?

Do you believe that every 3rd Down play should either be a screen or a draw?

Do you believe kicker is the most important position on the offense?

Do you believe that all of the best prospects reside in the Big XII?

Do you believe in trading down in any situation during the draft?

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5306485)

I agree with this completely.

A good question would be, can you (the Planet at large) name a franchise QB who never reached the SB? Don't have to win it. Just get there.

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock (Post 5306525)

Carson Palmer. :p

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5306533)

total awesomeness

:clap:

Do you judge QBOTF by their box scores?

Do you think that risk is scary, and therefore, wish to draft last in every round to avoid the perception of failure?

Do you think that Marty and Bill Cowher are the only two coaches left on the planet?

Do you think that Gunther was once a great coordinator?

Do you think that reaction is safer than action?

Do you think every other team that actually drafted a QBOTF just 'got lucky' and that it could never happen to us?

Is your name [alias of claythan and hootie]?

Do you prefer tailgating to Championships?

Do you fear the unknown?

Do you believe that 'being close in the 4th quarter' is the objective of an offense?

Do you believe that the run sets up the pass?

Do you believe that Stafford "has done nothing worth mentioning" in college?

Do you think QBs don't need to know how to play from under the center, and that learning 5 and 7 step drops is irrelevant because once Thigpen completed a 7 yard pass to a hall of fame tight end in quadruple coverage?

Do you think Dane is cool?

Well, then you, my reeruned friend, you are a True Fan.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5306540)

Warren Moon
Carson Palmer

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5306544)

Let's give Palmer and all current players a bit more time, please. It's not over for Palmer, yet.

Moon is a good example.