OK. But what about the extra force created by the larger mass? Not questioning your knowledge. Just clarifying. I know the driver manual says that a bike takes the same time to stop. Not more. Not less.

Its not a matter of more or less mass nor is it an issue of how fast either can stop... it's a matter of panicking and hitting the brakes too hard which will cause the rider to more than likely eat some gravel.

In a car you can stomp on the brakes and you don't have to worry about the car tipping over, high centering, or even having the back end come around on you (for the most part). On a motorcycle its extremely easy to do any of those things which is why it is important for the rider to be able to accelerate past an obstacle as opposed to braking.

they are all different. some bikes still have drum brakes in the rear. some only have single discs in the front. there are even a few people riding choppers with no front brake because it obscures the aesthetics by hiding the rim. my daily on the other hand will stop faster than you ever want to stop.

but the argument that you might skid or you might endover, IMO, is spurious. you shouldn't avoid braking because you might brake improperly, you should learn to brake properly.

I never said that you should avoid breaking. If I had not learned the value of proper breaking I would probably have not have managed to live through the first 2 years of riding.

I am saying that having enough power to accelerate out of a bad position is extremely valuable and is not something I would ever again do without.

So you sold the Harley? :Poke:

Bastard. :clap: lol

My Sporty will out run 90% of all stock cruisers (light to light). I've yet to take it out on a track though it is something I might be doing in the next few months.

I've been watching Rebels on eBay for a couple of weeks now. Saw a 2004 with over 40K go for $900, saw a 2008 with less than 1K go for just over $2,000 (probably should have jumped on that one, but I'm not quite ready to buy yet). Yesterday I came across these two for sale at a nearby gas station. a 1987 and 2004, both with under 20K miles, $1,500/each.

Twenty minutes left on this auction (Reserve not met)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...NA%3AUS%3A1123

What the hell are you on about?

A. I'm not selling my sporty
B. Can you get a 1957 Sporty for $3500? How about a 2004? If so, let me know where so I can stock up.

What the **** are you talking about?

What pissing match?

Have I insulted you because I said that my bike is faster light to light than most cruisers?

When did I call you out? I didn't call you out. LOL

Why are you pissed?

LMFAO

I don't understand "you can get a sportster for 3500" is like saying "you can get a ford pickup for 3500". well what year? what condition?

Nevermind. You guys are drunk.

I'm not drunk... just confused.

Shit.. if he has a line on a 57 for 3500 I'm all about it!

Budget just got tighter... found out the wife isn't likely headed to basic until February.

Found a 2002 Honda Rebel, 1488 miles (woman rider), selling for $1600 on CL. Should be able to get less than that.