Ever since the BAL game I've been wanting Croyle to start to be honest.

Giving Cassel that huge contract is eventually gonna backfire on us. I think it was a dumb decision. He has no help here like he did in NE. NE has a great core of WR's and a great OL and he still got sacked more than anyone in the league.

I know you have got to understand football better than this. It's not like every single WR is running short of the marker! It is typically the case that we are in 3rd and long, correct? So this tells teams that we are either going to (A)run the draw up the middle, or (B) throw for the first.

The draw up the middle scares no one with our OL, so teams go with option (B) and "pin their ears back" so to speak. Basically, we get in too many 3rd and longs for whatever the reasons, and once we are in that situation we are one dimensional with a very subpar OL (understatement).

It does not take a lot of imagination to see that once the blitz is on our OL crumbles (even without a blitz) and Cassel has little time to drop back, go through his reads, then throw the ball. This short amount of time is either going to cause him to throw an inaccurate pass or throw early to unanprepared/covered WR, or god forbid, force him to throw to the check down or the under route as his other WR's have yet to create any separation or make their cuts.

It is pretty easy to see with our group of WR's why if Cassel has little time to throw, they are not open yet. None of them are speed demons (maybe Chambers now) so it is pretty unlikely to see Bowe streaking down the sideline with a step or 2 on his man just one second after the snap. Now consider that teams can press the WR's at the line and this really starts to slow things down.

If teams don't blitz they can easily cover all our WR's in man or zone, and allow the 4 DLman to get enough pressure to get a sack or force a tough throw since our garbage OL can only block for about 2 seconds it seems.

Nope, your TV has the same problem as mine, Cassel is not playing up to his contract.

If Croyle didnt have an injury history like Bob Sanders, I would agree with this. No team can pin their starting qb hopes on a guy that cant make it through a game healthy.

Once he was traded for, he was to be the starter for at least two years, for better or worse.

Think for one second how bad it would look if we pulled Cassel for Croyle this week and he went out and got hurt in the first half.

Hunt would be looking at Pioli like "what the **** are you doing with my $$$?"

And the answer would be very easy. "Trying to win a ****ing game so you can get some asses in the seats."

Pretty simple.

thats it, i'm buying a stop watch and i'm going to settle this.

So you honestly feel he doesn't take too much time? One thing I have noticed over the years, that good successful QBs, when being confronted with a blitz, will find a quick hot read and sling it.

Cassel will look, then look for another, then get swallowed up. He needs to burn the blitz a few times, for them to back off IMO. He is starting to resemble the Huard fetal position a lot.

He does take a lot of time. It's my opinion he's been coached to take a sack rather than force a last second pass that results in a fumble or INT.

He doesn't go through his reads quick enough

If Cassel continues operating on FAIL for the first three quarters... as he has in pretty much every game... what would be wrong with putting Croyle in for quarter number four? Better not be a fear that he may look better than the starter and start a QB controversy, 'cause like it or not the continued pattern of play by Cassel is going to bring one on anyway.

Cassel started hitting his stride last season at about the midway point, he is actually doing better up to this point of the season than he did last year to this point.

If he hasn't shown improvement by years end, we can start to think the sky is falling.

It is evident to me though, that he could continue to produce nothing for years and some people here would still defend his poor play with ridiculous excuses. I cant really blame them though, I defended Thigpen through most of last year with similarly foolish excuses too. All in all, we are all Chiefs fans (except the resident fans of other teams) and we are in this together. Win or lose we all show up here and show passion for our team, however that passion is utilized is what makes this fan base diverse and therefore GREATEST IN THE NFL!!!

GO CHIEFS!!!

IMO on about 20% of the hits he takes (not just sacks) i think he takes too long. on the rest the rush is there too quickly. the MAIN problem wth a hot read is the our WRs dont seem to get it and never look for the ball. And huard would fall down BEFORE being touched, i have seen that from cassel a total of once this year

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At least he had somewhat of an excuse I guess last year. Now he has 22 starts under his belt.

I'd say this thread has a lot of moot points in it myself. I mean, how can we possibly know what Haley is teaching Cassel to do? Is he telling him to always check down and play it safe? Throw it only if the guy is 5 yards open? Force it to Bowe even though he's covered? Who really knows. I'm guessing Haley is holding him back because a) our defense sucks, b) our line sucks, c) Bowe can't get free and d) Haley doesn't want to have a 5 pick game like Sanchez and Stafford. We're not good enough to overcome the turnover ratio.

So you are OK with his crappy play because you don't know what Haley is teaching him? Then I guess you are OK with Brown's play? Rudy's play? _____________ (fill in the blank)'s play?