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CoMoChief 11-23-2009 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jwhit (Post 6287839)
Thank you. Someone who watched the game. Cassel was a joke until after the fumble. Haley had plenty of opportunity to meltdown.

You need to take a look at the "Haley Goes Off - A history" thread.

Of course it's nothing you probably haven't already seen. I just think it's borderline comical.

I think players need an ass chewing every so often whether it be in practice or on game day. Haley does it more than others obviously. Somewhere there has to be a medium. Being a hardass coach is one thing, but if that coach can recognize when a player works his ass off and plays well, it can pay huge dividends. Having that said there are players that can't take that kind of critizism.

I just think it will take Cassel a year to get in time with his WR's learn the offense, and everything to get in sync. Look at Trent Green with his first season here. He was TrINT Green. Give Cassel an Oline and another offseason and we could be competitive next season. Rolling on the win high wave right now, but if this team can beat the Super Bowl Champs, we can beat a number of teams as well. And as the season goes on I see this team getting better.

Iowanian 11-23-2009 10:59 AM

When he yells all of the time, it loses its effect because people become numb to it. If he would hold it back a little bit for when it's really needed, he'd get more effect.

If Haley acts like Sam Kinison, players will eventually get tired of the joke.


AAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAH!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

dirk digler 11-23-2009 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jwhit (Post 6287839)
Thank you. Someone who watched the game. Cassel was a joke until after the fumble. Haley had plenty of opportunity to meltdown.

Agreed. jwhit since you sit up in the press box and can see the whole field are the WR's getting open? I am curious if that is one of the reasons why Cassel hangs on the ball for so long.

Warrior5 11-23-2009 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jwhit (Post 6287839)
Thank you. Someone who watched the game. Cassel was a joke until after the fumble. Haley had plenty of opportunity to meltdown. But then he pulled all of the articles I had written about him out of his pocket, re-read them on the sidelines, and had an epiphany. "That Jason Whitlock not only knows his football, he also knows me! Son-of-a, uh... gosh darnit, I'm gonna keep my cool, not drop any F-bombs, smile at the guys, and pat 'em on the ass. I'm turning over a new leaf, and we're gonna win this one for Whitlock!

FYP.

stevieray 11-23-2009 11:04 AM

I think yesterdays game was a critical point of this season, and Haley's chances of survival as a Head Coach.

...another blowout at home(sitting @ 0-4) could've really been the nail in the coffin...as far as feeling that it was just the same ol same ol at One Arrowhead Drive...meaning that another round of STH dropping tickets with a completed stadium looming over the 2010 season...more apathy..less interest.

Haley came out strong, almost too strong, understandable, like achild learning to walk..the first steps aren't too pretty, but you strart to get momentum and learn. Personally, i think the team needed an intervention with a loud voice of accountability permeating through the ranks...I've likened it to give and take..he's obviously very passionate and his prasie comes as intensley as the call outs, he'll be fine. i thnk the meltdown with carthon might've opened his eyers. or someone made him see that he was going overboard, and in risk of losing it all. he knows this is his only chance.

What impresses me is he has backed up a lot of what he said..they woul;d purge the slackers, and find the right people for to acheive the goal. The roster has been fluid since day one..new fullback anyone? Players like Alleman, Studebaker, Long stepping up from out of nowhere. Chambers fitting in nicely?...and beat Pittsburg without Bowe and LJ?

...huge mental gain for the team down the road...the last quarter of the season will guage where 2010 is headed...sans first draft with own scouts.

Coogs 11-23-2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6287875)
I think yesterdays game was a critical point of this season, and Haley's chances of survival as a Head Coach.

...another blowout at home(sitting @ 0-4) could've really been the nail in the coffin...as far as feeling that it was just the same ol same ol at One Arrowhead Drive...meaning that another round of STH dropping tickets with a completed stadium looming over the 2010 season...more apathy..less interest.

Haley came out strong, almost too strong, understandable, like achild learning to walk..the first steps aren't too pretty, but you strart to get momentum and learn. Personally, i think the team needed an intervention with a loud voice of accountability permeating through the ranks...I've likened it to give and take..he's obviously very passionate and his prasie comes as intensley as the call outs, he'll be fine. i thnk the meltdown with carthon might've opened his eyers. or someone made him see that he was going overboard, and in risk of losing it all. he knows this is his only chance.

What impresses me is he has backed up a lot of what he said..they woul;d purge the slackers, and find the right people for to acheive the goal. The roster has been fluid since day one..new fullback anyone? Players like Alleman, Studebaker, Long stepping up from out of nowhere. Chambers fitting in nicely?...and beat Pittsburg without Bowe and LJ?

...huge mental gain for the team down the road...the last quarter of the season will guage where 2010 is headed...sans first draft with own scouts.

Nice take!

ChiefsCountry 11-23-2009 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6287870)
Agreed. jwhit since you sit up in the press box and can see the whole field are the WR's getting open? I am curious if that is one of the reasons why Cassel hangs on the ball for so long.

I have upper deck seats that have a great view, the receivers are open by NFL standards. Cassel is just too cautious or doesn't trust his arm.

OnTheWarpath15 11-23-2009 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6287875)
I think yesterdays game was a critical point of this season, and Haley's chances of survival as a Head Coach.

...another blowout at home(sitting @ 0-4) could've really been the nail in the coffin...as far as feeling that it was just the same ol same ol at One Arrowhead Drive...meaning that another round of STH dropping tickets with a completed stadium looming over the 2010 season...more apathy..less interest.

Haley came out strong, almost too strong, understandable, like achild learning to walk..the first steps aren't too pretty, but you strart to get momentum and learn. Personally, i think the team needed an intervention with a loud voice of accountability permeating through the ranks...I've likened it to give and take..he's obviously very passionate and his prasie comes as intensley as the call outs, he'll be fine. i thnk the meltdown with carthon might've opened his eyers. or someone made him see that he was going overboard, and in risk of losing it all. he knows this is his only chance.

What impresses me is he has backed up a lot of what he said..they woul;d purge the slackers, and find the right people for to acheive the goal. The roster has been fluid since day one..new fullback anyone? Players like Alleman, Studebaker, Long stepping up from out of nowhere. Chambers fitting in nicely?...and beat Pittsburg without Bowe and LJ?

...huge mental gain for the team down the road...the last quarter of the season will guage where 2010 is headed...sans first draft with own scouts.

I agree with it all, especially the bolded part.

Iowanian 11-23-2009 11:09 AM

Good analogy FDE....

I know as a fan, watching this season has been a lot like watching a child learn to walk. They've crapped their pants the first half of the season and they're often teetering near the corner of the coffee table, waiting for them to fall and break their head open.



I'd wager part of the issue with Cassel is that he's been told NO turnovers, and he's too cautious to prevent INTs.

OnTheWarpath15 11-23-2009 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6287881)
I have upper deck seats that have a great view, the receivers are open by NFL standards. Cassel is just too cautious or doesn't trust his arm.

It's been said several times by several different people, but he needs to adjust his definition of "open."

These guys aren't going to be running free like Moss and Welker were. Most WR's aren't.

If a WR has even half-a-step on an NFL DB, he's open. Get him the ball.

dirk digler 11-23-2009 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6287881)
I have upper deck seats that have a great view, the receivers are open by NFL standards. Cassel is just too cautious or doesn't trust his arm.

Thanks. Are they running deeper routes or in your mind what is the average route?

dirk digler 11-23-2009 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 6287885)

I'd wager part of the issue with Cassel is that he's been told NO turnovers, and he's too cautious to prevent INTs.

I guarantee you that is part of it.

Sully 11-23-2009 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jwhit (Post 6287651)
Waters has been leading all year.

Haley has made positive strides. I write what I see and hear.

And I'm definitely not backpedaling. I like Haley. Want him to succeed. Glad he's taking a different approach. The guy is willing to evolve. Great sign.

As I said, it's the first I've seen. Obviously I'm not at practice or in the room, but all we fans see is your columns about him whining and him moping into the huddle.
Prior to this year I thought he was a leader, but a local columnist convinced me he was a malcontent. The actions i've seen from him (prior to the Pitt game) led me to believe that was true. Maybe it's the columnist's fault for using him as a wedge issue in a personal vendetta against a team that doesn't coddle him as much as the previous one did. How would I know? I'm just a lowly reader and viewer...

ChiefsCountry 11-23-2009 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6287889)
Thanks. Are they running deeper routes or in your mind what is the average route?

Pretty much average routes. They aren't running wide wide open but open enough to fling it in.

stevieray 11-23-2009 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6287882)
I agree with it all, especially the bolded part.

ya, I hope they put it to bed with the team. He can't be yelling at his coaches in front of the players...supposedly they are close, so they'll tend to push the envelope with each other...


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