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beach tribe 12-07-2009 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6326249)
The Chiefs and Broncos had comparable defenses, though.

One team did something about it. The other team tried, and failed. Miserably.

Don't stick your head in the sand.
Actually he just pwned you.

8-8 does not translate to a 2-14 team. Hell we need 6 new starters to get to 8-8.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-07-2009 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6326255)
Nobody is saying that.

.
You know that's not true.

Hammock Parties 12-07-2009 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6326257)
I bet they're not a whole lot more surprised than I am.
What the ****.

You basically believe Pioli and Haley resigned themselves to being a bottom 5 offense and defense before the year?

Do you not realize how ludicrous that sounds?

I think it's ****ing bullshit. Why fire Chan Gailey if you're gonna suck anyway? What would be the point?

Bullshit, keg. Bullshit.

Hammock Parties 12-07-2009 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6326260)
Actually he just pwned you.

8-8 does not translate to a 2-14 team. Hell we need 6 new starters to get to 8-8.
Forget the overall team record and look at the defenses.

The Chiefs and Broncos needed the SAME overhaul on defense...one team got it done.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-07-2009 03:08 PM
The Broncos had more talent on D than we did.

The only position we come close to competing with them at is CB.

It's not like Dumerville, Williams, Woodyard, and Bailey weren't there last year, and Dumerville makes that whole D better.

keg in kc 12-07-2009 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6326249)
The Chiefs and Broncos had comparable defenses, though.

One team did something about it. The other team tried, and failed. Miserably.

Don't stick your head in the sand.
Comparable defenses?

Comparable statistically but not in terms of the players on the field. They've had more talent on that side of the ball than we have for years now, they've just consistently underachieved.

Whereas the Chiefs have been about as good as the players they run out there since, oh, about 1998. Fortunately they've begun adding core pieces to build around, pieces which you're of course writing off after their 1st or 2nd years in the league.

keg in kc 12-07-2009 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6326268)
What the ****.

You basically believe Pioli and Haley resigned themselves to being a bottom 5 offense and defense before the year?
If I believed that, I probably would have said it.

But go ahead, keep making stuff up.

Hammock Parties 12-07-2009 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6326283)
The Broncos had more talent on D than we did.

The only position we come close to competing with them at is CB.

It's not like Dumerville, Williams, Woodyard, and Bailey weren't there last year, and Dumerville makes that whole D better.
I don't think there's an ENORMOUS talent gap between them and Hali, DJ, Demorrio Williams and Brandon Flowers.

If the Chiefs had made the same moves the Broncos made on defense they would be SIGNIFICANTLY better. No one was looking for a top 10 D in KC this year. Top 20 would have been nice.

FAX 12-07-2009 03:12 PM
Cred Alert!!! Cred Alert!!!

FAX

keg in kc 12-07-2009 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6326288)
I don't think there's an ENORMOUS talent gap between them and Hali, DJ, Demorrio Williams and Brandon Flowers.

If the Chiefs had made the same moves the Broncos made on defense they would be SIGNIFICANTLY better. No one was looking for a top 10 D in KC this year. Top 20 would have been nice.
Do you not realize how ludicrous that sounds?

Hammock Parties 12-07-2009 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6326287)
If I believed that, I probably would have said it.

But go ahead, keep making stuff up.
If you don't believe they resigned themselves to sucking then you clearly believe they made moves with an eye towards improving the team.

So which one is it?

Hammock Parties 12-07-2009 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6326295)
Do you not realize how ludicrous that sounds?
It's not ludicrous at all.

Dumervil had five sacks last season.

OnTheWarpath15 12-07-2009 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6326283)
The Broncos had more talent on D than we did.

The only position we come close to competing with them at is CB.

It's not like Dumerville, Williams, Woodyard, and Bailey weren't there last year, and Dumerville makes that whole D better.
True.

However, it comes back to talent evaluation.

Denver acquired 6 new defensive starters and 1 rotational player via FA, and hit on every ****ing one of them. Batting 1.000. 3 new offensive starters, hitting on each. Still batting 1.000.

Shy of Chambers and Succop, not one acquisition of ours, offensively or defensively has been a clear upgrade over their 2008 counterparts. Some have been a push, some have been downgrades. We brought in over 30 players.

One team is batting 1.000, and the other is batting .066.

Slainte 12-07-2009 03:18 PM
It has served us well, this myth of Pioli...

Mecca 12-07-2009 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6326200)
Now break down all the Awesome moves that BB made this past off-season.
And don't give me Richard Seymore. That's Raiders hilarity, not BB genius.
Guess what. The Patriots are falling fast.

quote
Bobby Engram: FAIL
"Bobby Wade: FAIL
Amani Toomer: FAIL
Monty Beisel: FAIL
Mike Brown: FAIL" [Hamas]

We turned over a third of the roster, and you're gonna point at a bunch of league minimum guys we brought in, and say fail because they didn't work out?

I'm with ya man. I think a team should be able to bring in 23 players, and have everyone of them start, and contribute at a high level. **snicker**
They turned over a 3rd of the roster and got no improvement, everyone they brought in is just as bad if not worse than the guy they replaced.

That's real confidence inspiring.


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