Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6888144)

That post had nothing to do with the numbers being unrealistic. That post said that it's been great for the city, and I stand by that. The city went into this knowing that they were going to have to subsidize some of it. That doesn't make the district a failure.

The city is much better off now than it was 5 years ago. Without the P&L, this city doesn't sniff an All-Star game. Without the P&L, this city isn't even in the discussion for hosting a World Cup event.

The P&L District and the Legends Shopping Center are 2 of the best things this city has to offer.

The Chiefs and Royals both suck, and they are located out in the middle of nowhere. (How sad is it that they are on the short list of "positives" for the city.

Worlds of Fun and Oceans of Fun are fine, but they are in the middle of nowhere.

The casinos are fine, but they are in the middle of nowhere.

The Plaza is cool.

What else is there? If you take away P&L and the development going on around the Legends (Cabellas, Great Wolfe Lodge, Dave & Busters, the Speedway, Community America Ballpark, the Wizards' Stadium, Nebraska Furniture Mart, Chateau Avalon, Schlitterbahn, Shopping, Dining, etc.), you are left with an arena with no tenant in the middle of a ghost town, and a bunch of marginal activities (Plaza notwithstanding) in the middle of nowhere.

It is unfathomable to me that, out of everything that Kansas City has done wrong over the years, that you are trying to call out the Legends and the P&L district as failures.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6888021)

Nah I just think things could be better. For example Westport is 1000000X better than PNL but howcome you can bring your beer outside at PNL but not at Westport? It's bullshit how much the rules are changed for PNL.

Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 6888162)

But my original post had everything to do with the numbers, and what was sold to the tax payers. You saw it as an attack on an entertainment district. As I pointed out we all wanted this, but knew the numbers weren't real. Is it so wrong to hold the government and developer accountable for tax dollars? It seems KCK/Wyandotte County and The Legends developer understood their rules...AEG understood the rules...why not Cordish?

If Clark and Mr. Glass came back and asked for more tax dollars because they went over or didn't factor in certain things when they agreed to a price and signed the deal would you be so forgiving?

I think that an entertainment district can do many positives for a city, but history shows that it won't last at the current level.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6888165)

Its bc the inside of PNL is private owned area where in Westport you are walking out into a Kansas City street.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6888183)

Are you suggesting that the city didn't pony up for the Chiefs and Royals?

Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 6888192)

Actually it was the county. The city is looking to back out of their deal with the teams that was just a handshake not a true contract.
I'm just saying that if Clark and Mr. Glass wanted more because they didn't follow the agreement should the tax payer be on the hook for more money or should the owners?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6888218)

The city vouched for the debt for the P&L. Period, end of story.

Everyone involved knew what the costs would be. If the city didn't agree to take on the overage, this never would have been built. The city is better off because it was.

Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 6888247)

So the city makes a bad deal out of panic and tax payers should just say OK?
In an earlier post you said I should complain about the schools, roads and City Council. Well I am complaining about the City Council, and maybe these overages could have been used to repair roads or upgrade schools. I hope you are happy that the tax payers are paying more and more so you have a place to go while the rest of the city has to cut back on resources...police, fire, waste pickup, schools/teachers and many other things.

By the way you still haven't answered my question about Clark and Mr. Glass.

Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 6888064)

I think you have shit in your pants, but that's only because it's near where you keep your brains most of the time

Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 6887195)

Honestly, I don't know what this dress code is. I've never been turned away. You can wear tshirts, jeans, shorts, hats, pretty much whatever. Out of any place I've ever been it has the most lenient dress codes of places that actually have dress codes. You ever been to the voodoo lounge? Much stricter dress code and there's much more if a cultural crowd to.

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6888026)

Meh, its just business and politics. It just is what it is...it doesn't bother me that much. Some businesses are adapting just fine. More so P+L took a lot of the dbags out of Westport...I like the crowds there more now than I used to it also brings money in from people from JOCO and other suburbs who wouldn't come within 100 ft of Westport because they believe the myth that it is really dangerous.