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DaneMcCloud 09-03-2010 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 6974596)
I would say, alittle worse than Atl, better than TB, and better than Philly.

Joking, right?

How can you say they played "better" against a 3-13 Tampa team (the youngest team in the league, by far)? Flowers was burned by a rookie for a 50 yard TD, wasn't he? And they allowed a bad team to score 10 points with a backup QB.

LeSean McCoy averaged nearly 5 yards a carry and Philly's a 70/30 running team.

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 6974596)
Yeah Asamoah's the top reserve right now, so? I think they drafted him to replace Waters.

Top? No. Reserve? Yes.

I expected FAR more out of our high third rounder than what I've seen.

Far more.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-03-2010 01:02 PM

Good work, Clay.

Goldmember 09-03-2010 01:04 PM

Rep...that video is funny shit!

HC_Chief 09-03-2010 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6974599)
Tampa was a 3-13 team last year. The Chiefs faced their second string, second year starter for most of the first half. I expected much more from them in terms of "improvement".

Philly was starting a brand new QB and without the services of DeSean Jackson. I didn't see anything that led me to believe the defense had improved.

A few blitzes by guys like DeMorrio Williams don't show "improvement" to me, especially when the Chiefs are giving up more than 5 yards per carry to starting running backs. It's a better scheme and better coordination, but I didn't see ANY improvement from Jackson, Dorsey, Edwards or Mays.

All salient points but the fact remains that they did show improvement. They have looked a bit better with each game. The competition is certainly a factor, and I don't think anyone will deny that.

Where the improvement has been, IMO, is in execution. From week to week it appears to me that the guys are picking up the system(s) and executing, rather than thinking, then reacting.

The secondary has the potential to be very good, but these are young players. I do expect them to make mistakes.

The running game has been excellent.

The pass protection has been solid. The OL, in general, has been solid.

I am very concerned about Cassel. There are definitely no excuses this year. It's "make or break" for #7.

I am also very concerned about our front seven; especially concerned with the DL. We have, however, shown a propensity for applying pressure on the outside (Hali and Williams), and have been successful with some nice blitzing. The key point, wrt blitzing, is Crennel's scheme appears to do a MUCH better job of masking the blitzes (as opposed to the past decade or so where our blitzes have been painfully obvious to anyone with functional eyes).

I had low expectations for this team going into preseason and I still have low expectations. 7-9 is where I see them, with a real possibility of 5-11 at worst, and 8-8 at best.

DaneMcCloud 09-03-2010 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 6974682)
All salient points but the fact remains that they did show improvement. They have looked a bit better with each game. The competition is certainly a factor, and I don't think anyone will deny that.

This is my biggest concern, at least among other fans. I'm afraid that too many people here aren't familiar enough with other team's rosters and their history. They're willing to overlook everything in favor of stating "improvement" where in fact, if you look closely, there's been very little evidence of individual improvement.

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 6974682)
Where the improvement has been, IMO, is in execution. From week to week it appears to me that the guys are picking up the system(s) and executing, rather than thinking, then reacting.

I'm not seeing that, per se. I'm seeing a better coordinated team, due to the new coaches and of course, Crennel. I'm hopeful they'll improve over the course of the season but with the current front seven, better rushing teams are going to kill the Chiefs.

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 6974682)
The pass protection has been solid. The OL, in general, has been solid.

Eh, I'm less impressed than you are with the offensive line. Niswanger still blows, Waters' play is rapidly declining, O'C has been outplayed by Richardson and Albert, IMO, is stuck in neutral. I had extremely high hopes for Albert and have defended him in the past, but I can do so no longer.

As I've admitted in the past few weeks, Lilja (who I thought was done) has been the best offensive lineman by far, and Albert isn't even a close second.


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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 6974682)
I am very concerned about Cassel. There are definitely no excuses this year. It's "make or break" for #7.

There are very few people that think otherwise.

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 6974682)
I am also very concerned about our front seven; especially concerned with the DL. We have, however, shown a propensity for applying pressure on the outside (Hali and Williams), and have been successful with some nice blitzing. The key point, wrt blitzing, is Crennel's scheme appears to do a MUCH better job of masking the blitzes (as opposed to the past decade or so where our blitzes have been painfully obvious to anyone with functional eyes).

The Chiefs will be a better blitzing team this year due to the addition of Arenas and hopefully, more playing time from Studebaker. I think Romeo will do his best to keep offenses guessing with blitzes from everywhere but the bottom line is that while that will be a effective from time to time, it won't be enough to cover up the glaring weakness across the front seven. The D-line is really poor.

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 6974682)
I had low expectations for this team going into preseason and I still have low expectations. 7-9 is where I see them, with a real possibility of 5-11 at worst, and 8-8 at best.

I had low expectations as well although they've actually dropped during preseason. Where I initially thought this could be a 6-10 team, I know believe it's very possible they're once again, a 4-12 team.

LOCOChief 09-03-2010 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 6974149)
this was a decent read until the dissing of Dexter McCluster and cornerback Javier Arenas, and his third-round pick, tight end Tony Moeaki. After 4 meaningless preseason games that is written. Dexter and Tony are casualties of piss poor qb'ing. You can't expect large yardage off of dink and dunk. Those comments written are head up ass, I don't like Pioli BS. Arenas has already showed up and will continue. The heat will only be on Pioli if Cassel continues to play like crap and does nothing about it at seasons end.



This is a good take. OTWP is a complete dumbass

Marcellus 09-03-2010 01:33 PM

Preseason articles are about as meaningful as preseason games.

Get back with me after week 1 when we get to see an entire game with the starters and the coaching staff gameplans.

I am not making excuses, it may be damn ugly after week one but JFC it is ridiculous to get worked up over this preseason shit.

The article sucked ballz. It is nothing but a bunch of speculation off of 4 preseason games.

Save your ammo for week 1.

HC_Chief 09-03-2010 01:34 PM

4-12 = doom for Haley and Cassel. It also means a MAJOR knock on Pioli; Cassel + TJackson are the albatross(es).

keg in kc 09-03-2010 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6974591)
There was definite improvement from game 1 to 2 to 3. Last night was a complete waste.

Agreed.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-03-2010 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LOCOChief (Post 6974714)
This is a good take. OTWP is a complete dumbass

That has a lot of credibility coming from someone who probably can't spell his name without looking at his birth certificate.

DaneMcCloud 09-03-2010 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 6974721)
Preseason articles are about as meaningful as preseason games.

Get back with me after week 1 when we get to see an entire game with the starters and the coaching staff gameplans.

I am not making excuses, it may be damn ugly after week one but JFC it is ridiculous to get worked up over this preseason shit.

The article sucked ballz. It is nothing but a bunch of speculation off of 4 preseason games.

Save your ammo for week 1.

Which contenders, other than the Jets, have looked like shit all throughout preseason?

It's been said many times that there are too many preseason games. So, if the season had started after preseason game two, do you think the Chiefs would be 2-0 now because they game-planned?

They've had six months to prepare in team workouts, OTA's, mini-camp and training camp, yet the offense is awful.

Do you expect that to change in 10 days because it's no longer preseason?

DaneMcCloud 09-03-2010 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6974591)
There was definite improvement from game 1 to 2 to 3. Last night was a complete waste.

You saw a completely different team that I did this preseason.

Kansas City Chiefs? Is that the team you watched?

Marcellus 09-03-2010 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6974731)
Which contenders, other than the Jets, have looked like shit all throughout preseason?

It's been said many times that there are too many preseason games. So, if the season had started after preseason game two, do you think the Chiefs would be 2-0 now because they game-planned?

They've had six months to prepare in team workouts, OTA's, mini-camp and training camp, yet the offense is awful.

Do you expect that to change in 10 days because it's no longer preseason?

Guess what, in 10 days we get to see it on the field and the proof will be in the pudding. Like I said it may be ugly but I am not going to go into meltdown mode over some preseason shit. I only have so many meltdowns left in me I think and I want to save them for meaningful moments.

The running game, defense, and ST look night and day compared to preseason a year ago. If I were to go by preseason we have a top 2 running game and a top 10 defense.

I am not going to get too exited about those things either.

DaneMcCloud 09-03-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 6974749)
If I were to go by preseason we have a top 2 running game and a top 10 defense.

Which is why stats don't matter, especially if your ONE's are going against other team's Two's.

The Chiefs starters did not look dominant or even average against other team's first teamers.

They looked exactly like last's year's team. Unable to stop the run, unable to throw the ball.

keg in kc 09-03-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6974706)
I had low expectations as well although they've actually dropped during preseason. Where I initially thought this could be a 6-10 team, I know believe it's very possible they're once again, a 4-12 team.

I think that's what they call "seeing something with a jaundiced eye".


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