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whoman69 09-07-2011 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chris (Post 7884350)
Lame

Tell me why we're here then. Are we all just supposed to be cheerleaders. Put on your skirt, missy, and go back to the sidelines.

Chiefnj2 09-07-2011 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 7884560)
I can honestly see that happening with this schedule, and this QB. But, even at 7-9, it is heading in the right direction with all this young talent.

IMO 7-9 is not heading in the right direction (barring unforeseen injuries).

OnTheWarpath15 09-07-2011 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 7884560)
I can honestly see that happening with this schedule, and this QB. But, even at 7-9, it is heading in the right direction with all this young talent.

If this team has as much talent as some of you claim (not specifically you, Ed) this team should win at least 9 games.

You can't ignore the schedule in 2010 and then use it as an excuse in 2011.

King_Chief_Fan 09-07-2011 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7884519)
Just playing Devil's Advocate, no need for some of you to get your panties in a bunch, but...

Has he officially "turned this team around?"

What if this team goes 6-10 or 7-9 this year?

tougher schedule and growing pains with rookies cause me to think it could be as you indicated

Mr. Laz 09-07-2011 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7884519)
Just playing Devil's Advocate, no need for some of you to get your panties in a bunch, but...

Has he officially "turned this team around?"

What if this team goes 6-10 or 7-9 this year?

we have no idea what is going to happen in the future. If you take that into consideration then every grade for Pioli will be incomplete until the team actually wins the super bowl.

When Pioli inherited the team it was heading down and had won 4 games iirc. Two years with Pioli and the team is heading up and won 10 games and a division.

I consider that turning it around.

We don't know if that success will continue but this is a grade request not a prediction request.


btw i've already said the Chiefs could actually be a better team this year and end up with a worse record because of the SOS. I was hammered for it but i still believe it.

Chiefnj2 09-07-2011 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7884565)
If this team has as much talent as some of you claim (not specifically you, Ed) this team should win at least 9 games.

You can't ignore the schedule in 2010 and then use it as an excuse in 2011.

Exactly. I hate this built in schedule excuse. Good teams beat other good teams.

OnTheWarpath15 09-07-2011 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7884574)
I hate this built in schedule excuse. Good teams beat other good teams.

This. A million times this.

HemiEd 09-07-2011 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7884565)
If this team has as much talent as some of you claim (not specifically you, Ed) this team should win at least 9 games.

You can't ignore the schedule in 2010 and then use it as an excuse in 2011.

The schedule was very soft last year, anyone that says different has their head buried in the sand.

Give me the NFC West every year please, 40% of the team's win total. They may not win a single game against the NFC this year, it would not surprise me.

So that right there could be the difference between 10-6 and 6-10.

Reerun_KC 09-07-2011 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7884578)
This. A million times this.

Agreed...

OnTheWarpath15 09-07-2011 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 7884582)
The schedule was very soft last year, anyone that says different has their head buried in the sand.

Give me the NFC West every year please, 40% of the team's win total. They may not win a single game against the NFC this year, it would not surprise me.

So that right there could be the difference between 10-6 and 6-10.

As NJ said, good teams beat other good teams.

If this team has as much talent as some people think, and are "turned around" as others think, there's no reason to win fewer than 9 games.

milkman 09-07-2011 11:20 AM

I think the talent on this roster is capable of competing with most of the teams in the league.

67% of games last season were decided by a touchdown or less.

That's one or two plays a game that decide the outcome.

This team's fortunes, as I've said numerous times, lies squarely on Cassel.

The plays he makes, or fails to make, could be the difference between 10-6 or 6-10.

HemiEd 09-07-2011 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7884574)
Exactly. I hate this built in schedule excuse. Good teams beat other good teams.

It was not meant as an excuse, sorry you took it that way.

If you think this team is good enough, and are far enough along for the schedule not to matter, I do not. They got 4 wins last year, that could be 4 losses this year.

Are they headed in the right direction? Yes, but they are sure not elite yet.

They are not Pittsburgh, New England, San Diego, or Green Bay.

***Matt Cassel***

the Talking Can 09-07-2011 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 7884598)
It was not meant as an excuse, sorry you took it that way.

If you think this team is good enough, and are far enough along for the schedule not to matter, I do not. They got 4 wins last year, that could be 4 losses this year.

Are they headed in the right direction? Yes, but they are sure not elite yet.

They are not Pittsburgh, New England, San Diego, or Green Bay.


the only real difference is at QB....but we're not supposed to talk about that


point is, as milkman said, this season comes down to Cassel...if he's the superstar that reerun and that weirdo pats fan says he is, then we're fine...

Mr. Laz 09-07-2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7884574)
Exactly. I hate this built in schedule excuse. Good teams beat other good teams.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7884578)
This. A million times this.

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 7884585)
Agreed...

this is the biggest twisted piece of crap ever

'good' is an extremely relative term

Houston is a good team but saying that winning against them is the same as winning against the Steelers is just plain stupid.

every year in the NFL there are 8 or so elite teams that will get their wins no matter what. There are also around 8 crappy teams that aren't going to make it regardless. The rest of the teams in the league have their win/loss record go up and down based on SOS.

So technically yes "good teams win no matter what" but only the elite type teams.

There is huge grey area around that statement.

The Chiefs are NOT elite yet so they can still be a better team than last year and have a worse record because of their SOS.

HemiEd 09-07-2011 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7884603)
the only real difference is at QB....but we're not supposed to talk about that


point is, as milkman said, this season comes down to Cassel...if he's the superstar that reerun and that weirdo pats fan says he is, then we're fine...

Agreed, and as per my previous posts, I went back and put Cassel in stars on the post you quoted.

If only he could play like he did in Seattle last year, that was almost like a fantasy coming true. The team was obviously there all along, Cassel was clearly the difference.

I must admit though, he looked pretty good up in Green Bay after a couple series. Bowe was just sick though, catching everything in the general area.


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