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DJ's left nut 12-05-2011 01:32 PM

To extend him early, I think you'll have to offer him Flowers money now.

Otherwise, what does he gain by not testing the market?

Again - we were absolute fools to let this linger through the season. Now the Chiefs have absolutely no leverage because they can't even threaten to use the franchise tag on him (everyone knows that they'll tag Bowe as a negotiating ploy).

His agent would be an idiot to not shop him at this point. Either the Chiefs can pay him their established going rate for a top-level CB (and Carr has a good argument that he's Flowers' equal), or he can go see if someone else out there will.

I think we'll be surprised by what he's able to command in free agency. I also think we're going to find out if the Arenas pick was absolutely ghastly or merely underwhelming.

Buckweath 12-05-2011 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8172163)
Link?

That`s a supposition, to see if us fans want him at all costs.

As others have said, pay the man.

This defense has practically no weakness with a healthy Berry. You don`t want to create a new weakness, and diminish our thin depth even more.

BTW, Arenas cannot replace Carr as he has to play nickelback.

Rausch 12-05-2011 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 8171728)
.. You dont let him walk...

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BigChiefFan 12-05-2011 01:46 PM

He's only 25 years old and been very solid. We should re-sign him. I don't think his contract will be near that amount, but it's an interesting scenario.

HemiEd 12-05-2011 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8171299)
Again, the argument is NOT that Flowers/Carr is a bad combo.

I think they're a Top 5 combo. Maybe even a Top 3 combo.

But you're suggesting that we pay them $100 million together. It's important to keep context in mind.

Why do you give a **** about the money? It took how long for this team to come up with a pair of CBs? For****ingever! They even signed stumbling bumbling Ty Law trying to fill the ****ing hole.

We been through this shit before with safeties, remember not keeping Reggie Tongue?

Not keeping Neil Smith?

Bowser 12-05-2011 01:49 PM

To Direckshun and the others that think we should not pay that money to one position on the team -

Take the money and the bonus Carr would have received and apply it to another free agent target. What position would it be, and who is the player you have in mind?

Micjones 12-05-2011 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8172146)
He won't take it.

He wants Flowers money. Take it or leave it.

Give it to him. This has become a pass-first league.
This defense is on the cusp of being elite. Lock the guy up and let's turn our attention to shoring up this offense. Front load the contract. We have plenty of cap space.

sedated 12-05-2011 02:02 PM

Another vote for “pay him”. We’ve got the makings of a great defense, don’t create a hole that you have to fill with a high draft pick or big contract on a FA – keep a known commodity.

Like has been said, Carr is considered by some as superior to Flowers. I think they are a great combo, one is a shut-down type guy who silences one side, the other is the bravado playmaker high-stepping into the endzone after a pick-6.

Hammock Parties 12-05-2011 02:15 PM

We don't even know how good these corners can be at the moment.

If Houston and Hali get a DT/Neil Smith thing working, we're going to rape faces.

I'm talking 13-3 and first-round playoff losses, people!

Chief Faithful 12-05-2011 02:32 PM

To me the only true definition of a "shut down" corner is the one that is so good other teams avoid. In the case of the Chiefs other teams seem to target Flowers more than Carr so resigning Carr seems to me to be a no brainer.

Bowser 12-05-2011 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8172304)
I'm talking 13-3 and first-round playoff losses, people!

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lcarus 12-05-2011 02:37 PM

Pay the dude. Seriously. He's been great for us. I'd rather pay him than Dwayne Bowe to be real honest here.

whoman69 12-05-2011 02:57 PM

Lot of assumptions here which I don't think have any basis in reality. My assumption, which is as valid as anything anyone else threw out here, is that it won't take a Flowers deal to get it done. He's not a number one corner. He doesn't get many picks. He's a talented player and should be paid as one. I don't think the team can give a Flowers deal out because while the cap may be $30 million right now, that number drops after some other contracts get added in.

Nightfyre 12-05-2011 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8172480)
Lot of assumptions here which I don't think have any basis in reality. My assumption, which is as valid as anything anyone else threw out here, is that it won't take a Flowers deal to get it done. He's not a number one corner. He doesn't get many picks. He's a talented player and should be paid as one. I don't think the team can give a Flowers deal out because while the cap may be $30 million right now, that number drops after some other contracts get added in.

I think the Bowe deal will be offset by the decline in the Cassel deal. IIRC, Cassel is going from like 13MM to 5MM?

Mecca 12-05-2011 03:08 PM

Let's see the Chiefs have more money to spend than any other team so they have no excuse. Oh and on top of that, this perception that Flowers is so much better than Carr is ridiculous, watch how teams play us, they treat Carr like he's the better one, far less balls go to his receiver.


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