Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8175877)

That's a pretty bizarre hypothetical given that Wainwright and Jackson never pitched together.

Further, the 2011 Cardinals got precisely zero innings from Adam Wainwright, so he's not terribly relevant to that discussion either.

In 2012, the Cardinals rotation of Wainwright, Carpenter, Garcia, Lohse and Westbrook will be better than the Marlins rotation of Johnson, Sanchez, Nolasco, Volstead and #5, but lets not act like it's a walk-away.

We don't know what WW will come back as next season anymore than we know about Johnson. When they're both healthy, they're comparable. Carpenter, for as fantastic as he was from September on, was mediocre prior to that. He's probably going to be the oldest SP in the national league next season and he's thrown a TON of innings over the last 2; I expect a significant regression from him. If Sanchez can stay as effective as he was in the 1st half, Sanchez could have a better year. Nolasco is a maddening headcase, but he's also capable of striking out 16 batters in a game. Let's not act like Garcia's the most consistent or unflappable guy in the majors himself; Nolasco could easily have a better year. Lohse is what he is; a pretty good pitcher with a weak stomach; he's a suitable #3 but you want him no higher.. He's better than Volstead and that's pretty much the only clear 'victory'. Westbrook is dogshit. Complete and utter dogshit. I hate him, I hate his family, I hate his pets. At least the current Marlins #5 (Hand) has some upside if he would stop walking guys.

Yeah, the Cardinals probably have a better rotation, but it's not like we're lapping the field here.

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8175929)

A lot more people care about the best team in the area in any sport by a wide margin over those who care about the cornhumpers.

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 8176265)

A bit generous with "area," aren't we?

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 8175132)

Good Christ. How can the Marlins be spending this much on Reyes and Pujols while currently under an SEC investigation?

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8176274)

I don't hear you complaining when the area includes places like Norman and Iowa City.

My area is Missouri. Don't really give a shit about anything else, or people too wrapped up in their own bitterness to recognize that.

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 8176303)

Area = city/media market

Region = conference footprint/U.S. census groupings/loose popular groupings, i.e. "Midwest"/etc.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 8176314)

If he leaves for the Marlins, then he was FOS in all his previous statements and it was all about the money.

We got him for 11 of his best years. He has maybe 2 more of those years left but wants to be paid for 10 more years like that.

It makes sense for the Cards to do that but not anyone else.

Originally Posted by beer me (Post 8176403)

I don't even think it makes sense for the Cards to do that and apparently they don't either. So much for the home town discount. Pujols is just another me first athelete who over values himself and puts himself above the team or winning. Not the first, certainly won't be the last.

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8176414)

You guys act as if Miami hasn't added anything to compete...

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8176274)

I don't hear you complaining when the area includes places like Norman and Iowa City.

My area is Missouri. Don't really give a shit about anything else, or people too wrapped up in their own bitterness to recognize that.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8175188)

The Royals countered with a 5 year 15 million dollar deal and offered him the "Keys to the city of Independence"

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8176451)

BNightengaleBob Nightengale

#STLCARDS Pujols now has three teams that are offering 10-year contracts in excess of $200 million: STL, MIAMI, AND unidentified team