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O.city 12-12-2011 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8197775)
Jackson is a left in a 4-3, and a two-down player at that. Basically, exactly what he is in this scheme. I don't think that talent evaluators were wrong when they said that Dorsey could play the three technique, but when your job is to occupy and scrape, you aren't going to be shooting gaps.

I still think that this team would do well to be a little more exotic in passing situations. Move Dorsey and Gilberry inside, and rush Houston and Hali off the edges.

I tend to agree more with this.

We actually have guys who are pretty versatile. Move them around.

O.city 12-12-2011 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 8197758)
Well there are many things the chiefs need to do to right the ship

1. Get a good experienced HC....someone who knows how to treat its players and knows how to operate a team and prepare for Sundays.

2. Get healthy

3. QB (get a good backup too, Orton prob won't be here next season)

4. OL + depth

5. DL + depth

6. Safety depth

CUTS: Richardson, Jereme Urban, McGraw, Piscatelli, OConnell, Pope, Cassel, Palko, Weigman, Greenwood, Langford, D.Williams

I'd say this would be a pretty good start.

petegz28 12-12-2011 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8197775)
Jackson is a left in a 4-3, and a two-down player at that. Basically, exactly what he is in this scheme. I don't think that talent evaluators were wrong when they said that Dorsey could play the three technique, but when your job is to occupy and scrape, you aren't going to be shooting gaps.

I still think that this team would do well to be a little more exotic in passing situations. Move Dorsey and Gilberry inside, and rush Houston and Hali off the edges.

I agree with this. Seems when we had Cower as a DC and even Adolph and Gunther we just blitzed so much more. Having good bump-run corners helps that a lot and we had some great corners and safteys.

I want that back. I want to get the corners up in a guys face and knock him around coming off the ball while everyone else is going for a QB lunch. You get in those 3rd and longs and QB's just don't have time to throw the ball 20 yards down field.

O.city 12-12-2011 08:07 PM

I know it seems really dark righ tnow as a Chiefs fan with the peckerhead we have at GM, but this team isn't as far away as one might think.


It really all depends on his decision about Cassel. It could determine the way of this franchise for 10 years down the road.

If he were to go qb in the first and that guy actually turned out to be the guy, we are a true fan draft the rest of the way out from putting a really good team out there on sunday. THis is also considering we get healthy.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 08:10 PM

Here's what happens if we switch to a 4-3:

Jackson gets pushed around at DT.

Dorsey continues to 2-gap.

Hali is probably not as effective.

We are left holding our dicks looking for two outside linebackers, hoping that DJ can play the middle in a 4-3.

Sounds like a recipe for a bottom 10 defense.

And THIS defense, two games ago, was shitting on Ben Roethlisberger.

Yeah, no.

aturnis 12-12-2011 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 8197758)
Well there are many things the chiefs need to do to right the ship

1. Get a good experienced HC....someone who knows how to treat its players and knows how to operate a team and prepare for Sundays.

2. Get healthy

3. QB (get a good backup too, Orton prob won't be here next season)

4. OL + depth

5. DL + depth

6. Safety depth

CUTS: Richardson, Jereme Urban, McGraw, Piscatelli, OConnell, Pope, Cassel, Palko, Weigman, Greenwood, Langford, D.Williams

:spock: These players LOVE Haley.

petegz28 12-12-2011 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8197778)
I tend to agree more with this.

We actually have guys who are pretty versatile. Move them around.

I still have memories of the 96 defense basically putting 10 men up on the line and setting the tone. I mean we would line everyone up on the line and the offense knew we were bringing it. And the philosophy was simple....rush the QB and tackle the RB on the way if they hand it to him.

It was intimidating. Think back to the 49rs game when we raped Steve Young. He had that scared look in his eyes after the first sack which I think was like their 2nd or 3rd play from scrimmage.

I want that back. I want that mauling defense back where it didn't matter where you lined up on the line you were going to knock the **** out of the guy in front of you whether he was a lineman, TE or WR. Whoever it was was not going to come off that line clean and easy and the QB knew he was not going to get away with some 7 step drop and a 20 yard pass without getting his ass stomped.

aturnis 12-12-2011 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8197807)
Here's what happens if we switch to a 4-3:

Jackson gets pushed around at DT.

Dorsey continues to 2-gap.

Hali is probably not as effective.

We are left holding our dicks looking for two outside linebackers, hoping that DJ can play the middle in a 4-3.

Sounds like a recipe for a bottom 10 defense.

And THIS defense, two games ago, was shitting on Ben Roethlisberger.

Yeah, no.

Agreed. No reason whatsoever to switch to a 4-3. Bad move.

whoman69 12-12-2011 08:14 PM

We should be looking to draft from schools that run the 3-4 for the front seven, especially so for the line. I know occassionally you can project a lighter end to play LB in the 3-4, but very rarely are 4-3 lineman able to play line in a 3-4.

Georgia, Georgia Tech, Houston, Notre Dame, Stanford, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Alabama, Air Force, Army, Navy, BYU, California and SMU

Take the guesswork out.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8197811)
:spock: These players LOVE Haley.

The receivers didn't the last month.

petegz28 12-12-2011 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8197819)
Agreed. No reason whatsoever to switch to a 4-3. Bad move.

I am not saying we should swtich to a 4-3. I prefer a 3-4. I think it is more confusing for an offense and is a much more aggresive scheme. My point was, however badly stated, that if we are going to continue to draft 4-3 players on the line then you might as well switch to a 4-3. And to a lesser degree if we are going to run this soft zone crap then switch to a 4-3. If you're going to run a 3-4 then let the players lace em' up and have at it.

DJ is a beast on the blitz. He almost always gets pressure that alters the play. But we need safetys and another LB that can cover TE's over the middle so you can blitz DJ more.

O.city 12-12-2011 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197818)
I still have memories of the 96 defense basically putting 10 men up on the line and setting the tone. I mean we would line everyone up on the line and the offense knew we were bringing it. And the philosophy was simple....rush the QB and tackle the RB on the way if they hand it to him.

It was intimidating. Think back to the 49rs game when we raped Steve Young. He had that scared look in his eyes after the first sack which I think was like their 2nd or 3rd play from scrimmage.

I want that back. I want that mauling defense back where it didn't matter where you lined up on the line you were going to knock the **** out of the guy in front of you whether he was a lineman, TE or WR. Whoever it was was not going to come off that line clean and easy and the QB knew he was not going to get away with some 7 step drop and a 20 yard pass without getting his ass stomped.

Well man I think the times of defenses like that are over. I think we could be more aggressive like we were in the Steeler and first half pats game tho and be very successful.


It's been stated before , but Berry really brings this defense together.

petegz28 12-12-2011 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8197824)
We should be looking to draft from schools that run the 3-4 for the front seven, especially so for the line. I know occassionally you can project a lighter end to play LB in the 3-4, but very rarely are 4-3 lineman able to play line in a 3-4.

Georgia, Georgia Tech, Houston, Notre Dame, Stanford, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Alabama, Air Force, Army, Navy, BYU, California and SMU

Take the guesswork out.

Dat

is

muh

point!

Well said.

OnTheWarpath15 12-12-2011 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8197819)
Agreed. No reason whatsoever to switch to a 4-3. Bad move.

The bad move is hiring a coach and forcing him into a scheme he doesn't believe in, or limiting your coaching search to guys that only run the 34.

Hire the best coach, and let HIM dictate what scheme you run.

If that means a switch to the 43, so ****ing be it.

Hiring a less qualified coach just because he's willing to run a 34 is just as big a mistake.

O.city 12-12-2011 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197832)
I am not saying we should swtich to a 4-3. I prefer a 3-4. I think it is more confusing for an offense and is a much more aggresive scheme. My point was, however badly stated, that if we are going to continue to draft 4-3 players on the line then you might as well switch to a 4-3. And to a lesser degree if we are going to run this soft zone crap then switch to a 4-3. If you're going to run a 3-4 then let the players lace em' up and have at it.

DJ is a beast on the blitz. He almost always gets pressure that alters the play. But we need safetys and another LB that can cover TE's over the middle so you can blitz DJ more.

I'd like to see some safety depth, but you have to remember next year we will hopefully be getting an all pro back at safety.


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