Can you still sign a long term deal after camp?

Like I was saying in another thread, not a huge fan of the franchise tag.

I think after Monday, he can't sign until next offseason.

Shitty

Nope.

I believe this is the first year with a rule saying you can't negotiate once the deadline has passed.

With that said, I'm wondering how many FA's that don't get a deal done by Monday end up re-upping with their team in the offseason.

I'd guess not many.

I can't believe we're still talking about Orton. The dude didn't even want to come here and tried to get the Chiefs to take back their waiver claim on him. Obviously he's got a better arm and I'd like to see him stay but he had about -5% desire to stay here. He went and took a backup job instead of going to a place he'd have a legit chance to start. That pretty much tells you all you need to know about where his head is.

Because he knew he had 0 chance to start.

He knew there would not be a legit competition. And despite Pioli's lip service this offseason, there hasn't been one and clearly won't.

Why would he stay?

You are correct in that there probably wouldn't be a competition, but you're kind of creating an alternate universe just to knock Pioli. It really didn't matter. Orton did not want to come here in the first place, and tried to get the Chiefs to not claim him. And that was in a situation where he knew he'd be the starter. He wanted nothing to do with Kansas City.

He knew what was up.

http://sportsofboston.com/wp-content...1511_Piloi.jpg

Can't fault the guy for not wanting to be claimed by a team that's only going to give him a handful of starts, with no chance to start the following year, regardless of how he performs.

I'd want to go where I could show off for 6-7 games and parlay that into a deal.

Kansas City was never that place.

Orton had a stronger arm than Cassel but overall hes really no better.

They are both just different flavors of the same mediocre drink.

You're just being obtuse. He wanted to go to Chicago, even though he knew he'd never unseat the starter there either.

You don't think that if we made the playoffs and won a game he would have been given a starting deal here?

Nope. Not in a million years.

No, he wanted to go to Chicago... which was pretty much the same situation. And it probably turned out for the better in KC because he got to beat the Packers.

Then he turned around and without even testing the market went to Dallas as a backup. He wanted nothing to do with KC. And I'm not sure he even cared about being a starter.