Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8743113)

We had a chance at basically anybody.


If you have a guy you like, go get the guy. Trade picks.


A franchise qb is worth more, IMO, than a couple first round picks.

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 8743119)

I'd like to see the real reports about that. I don't remember hearing that before but that doesn't mean it isn't true but I think Stafford was their guy all along. Hell they could have got Cassel for less then the Chiefs and then drafted Stafford too. From what I recall the Lions were not going to pass on Stafford at any point.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8743148)

Whether or not the report is true, the fact is that Pioli, who had daily access to Cassel in his three years as a Patriot backup leaves Pioli with no excuse for that mistake.

He needed to do what ever was necessary to get after a franchise QB.

He went the safe route.

Originally Posted by philfree (Post 8743164)

We could have gotten Sanchex over Cassel but that was about it.

We could have tried to have gone Ditka for Stafford but the Lions would have probably said no thanks. They simply were not going to pass on the guy. So which franchise QB did we let slip away?

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8743180)

I've been down this road before.

I'm sick and tired of taking on someone else's retreads and castoffs.

You draft a guy out of college, whether it's Sanchez or Freeman, and you try to develop.

If that fails, you try again.

Originally Posted by sedated (Post 8742871)

As much as I hate Casshole, Im almost paying more attention to the rookies and 2nd year guys to evaluate Pioli. If they all become productive and/or stars, then we have the foundation of a dynasty. Assuming we get a good QB, of course, and I dont think Pioli is as ready to go down with Cassel as many here think.

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8743356)

I think Kevin Whaley former Pittsburgh guy now with Buffalo might be the ideal guy if Pioli fails this year.

Don't get me wrong I'm excited for this season but how the **** can anyone be surprised if we miss the playoffs with cassel daboll and crennel. This is what the greatest GM gets us?

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8743180)

I've been down this road before.

I'm sick and tired of taking on someone else's retreads and castoffs.

You draft a guy out of college, whether it's Sanchez or Freeman, and you try to develop.

If that fails, you try again.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8743363)

At the end of the day, an OC is only as good as the talent he's given to work with.This is all on Pioli.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 8743395)

Sanchez and Freeman would have failed miserably with the talent we had in 2009. I doubt they'd be much better than Cassel.

Pioli needs to be all in for a QB next April unless Cassel pulls a 2011 Alex Smith to justify him not doing it.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8743401)

They probably would have failed but that's not the problem.


Say they failed then, now, when our window with the talent we have acquired is to open, we aren't having to groom a young quarterback or hope our manager doesn't **** it up.