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lcarus 03-07-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 9445150)
Probably because he can't stay off the smack.

Didn't STP start sucking when he DID get off the smack lol. Not that I was ever a big fan.

DaneMcCloud 03-07-2013 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9473750)
No, the signal is split - one dry signal (direct), one delayed signal (direct) and one to the amp, which is miked.

Pretty intricate for some backwoods yokels in the middle of MO...but between cowtipping and getting high on meth, we gots nothin' else ta do round dese here partz...

Wow, talk about an inferiority complex. Jesus.

DaneMcCloud 03-07-2013 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9473766)
Man, I just don't want my record to sound like everyone ****ing body else's ****ing record. I don't have a producer, I don't have anyone with any real recording studio experience, I don't know what I'm doing with digital a good 3/4 of the time...

...I just think that if you record a good performance on good equipment that it should sound good.

That's not me having preconceived notions or thinking I know it all; quite the opposite - it's that I don't know what I'm doing so much that I don't know what else to do, if that makes any sense...

Yes, it sounds like you're inexperienced and don't know what you're doing. There's nothing wrong with that, as everyone needs to start somewhere. But you're mixing up terminology.

Furthermore, taking three signals and combining them into one is a recipe for disaster, IMO. Get a great sound coming from your instrument and amp, then select the best microphone, mic preamp and compressor (if necessary) in order to capture your sound.

Your sound might come for a REDDI box or an old Ampeg or a solid state Acoustic amp. It doesn't matter, as long as it's your sound. Don't get caught up in "Well I read on the internet that if I take a signal from here and one from there and one from there, then mix them, it'll be great!". Phasing is most certainly an issue, unless you're using something like a Little Labs IBP but even still, it should not be difficult.

rabblerouser 03-07-2013 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9473796)
Wow, talk about an inferiority complex. Jesus.

I thought it was funny, and worth at least a couple of lulz.

Again, I stress the need for a sarcasm font.

You know...because I'm a slack-jawed yokel, I feel like the dorky-wonky smilie thingy is a threat to masculinity or something?? You know. Because posting dorky winky thingies makes you a gay??

(More sarcasm, btw - lighten up, laugh. Don't take any of this so seriously. Especially coming from some snot-nosed, wiseassed, never-was-never-will-be bass player, ya know??)

rabblerouser 03-07-2013 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9473803)
Yes, it sounds like you're inexperienced and don't know what you're doing. There's nothing wrong with that, as everyone needs to start somewhere. But you're mixing up terminology.

Furthermore, taking three signals and combining them into one is a recipe for disaster, IMO. Get a great sound coming from your instrument and amp, then select the best microphone, mic preamp and compressor (if necessary) in order to capture your sound.

Your sound might come for a REDDI box or an old Ampeg or a solid state Acoustic amp. It doesn't matter, as long as it's your sound. Don't get caught up in "Well I read on the internet that if I take a signal from here and one from there and one from there, then mix them, it'll be great!". Phasing is most certainly an issue, unless you're using something like a Little Labs IBP but even still, it should not be difficult.

old Ampeg/Orange is definitely the sound, and not necessarily recording all three with the intention of mixing them; just to have the options.

Probably going to have someone else (who knows what they're doing) mix it, and that way, you know, for a particular cut he doesn't like the sound of the miked amp. Well, he can take that dry signal and either re-amp or use a plug-in, however he feels is best. It's more to provide options during mixing than to acheive some monstrous bass sound.

Like, the more I hear 'new' albums with 'modern' bass sounds, the more I want to have that old school, warm Ampeg Noel Redding/Geezer Butler sound. To me, the way Paul McCartney's bass sounds on Revolver is ideal. There's almost TOO MUCH bass in the sonic spectrum in music today, but with mp3 and compressed digital formats, along with bigger speaker, modern equipment and evolving tastes, there HAS to be some of that bottom end, or yohr record can't ever compete on any level. Like, it has to sound good on the radio, next to the prominent regional and national acts that it hopefully will be played alongside...

and that's just the BASS; the guitars have been a NIGHTMARE, woth tuning issues, percussive 'chukkas' that muck up the mix, etc.

Yeah...I thought 'we'll just go in and bash out 8-9 songs and mix 'em and call that a record.'

That was over 9 months ago, we're almost halfway through, but with no real end in sight.

:banghead:

rabblerouser 03-07-2013 01:02 PM

so maybe that's why I come across as completely acerbic. I've got musical blue balls.

It's a bitch.

rabblerouser 03-07-2013 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 9473779)
Didn't STP start sucking when he DID get off the smack lol. Not that I was ever a big fan.


Naw, they broke up when he got off the dope. Then he got back i
on the shit, got arrested and then joined VR while in drug court.

Personally, I like all their albums as STP (Purple, Tiny Music, and No. 4 being especially great) and I like Scott Weiland's first solo album 12 Bar Blues quite a bit.

Not a fan of Talk Show, the album the STP guys did without Weiland, so me thinks them 'firing' him is a big mistake, and that they could possibly make up sooner rather than later, something somewhat akin to when Tommy Lee was 'fired' from Mötley for about 6 months in 2009...

Omaha 03-07-2013 01:53 PM

Seven Mary Three and Days of the New were my favorite hilarious copycat bands from that era. I feel like they go under-appreciated for paving the way for Nickelback and Creed.

DaneMcCloud 03-07-2013 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 9473987)
Seven Mary Three and Days of the New were my favorite hilarious copycat bands from that era. I feel like they go under-appreciated for paving the way for Nickelback and Creed.

Days of the New's first album was released on June 4th, 1997.

Creed's first album was released on June 24th, 1997.

Omaha 03-07-2013 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9474131)
Days of the New's first album was released on June 4th, 1997.

Creed's first album was released on June 24th, 1997.

Yeah. They were very efficient pavers. :thumb:

Easy 6 03-07-2013 02:54 PM

Speaking of GNR, did anyone catch the VH1 concert from london last saturday?

Gotta say, they sounded awesome... Axls voice hasnt been that good in ten years, it was GREAT to hear all of the stuff from the Illusion albums live.

Axl looks like he's kinda going through the motions more than i ever remember, he doesnt have that physical fire he used to, but still, he sounded very good.

Feel like punching myself in the junk for forgetting to record it... it made them seem relevant again.

DaneMcCloud 03-07-2013 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Driving Wheel (Post 9473847)
old Ampeg/Orange is definitely the sound, and not necessarily recording all three with the intention of mixing them; just to have the options.

Probably going to have someone else (who knows what they're doing) mix it, and that way, you know, for a particular cut he doesn't like the sound of the miked amp. Well, he can take that dry signal and either re-amp or use a plug-in, however he feels is best. It's more to provide options during mixing than to acheive some monstrous bass sound.

Like, the more I hear 'new' albums with 'modern' bass sounds, the more I want to have that old school, warm Ampeg Noel Redding/Geezer Butler sound. To me, the way Paul McCartney's bass sounds on Revolver is ideal. There's almost TOO MUCH bass in the sonic spectrum in music today, but with mp3 and compressed digital formats, along with bigger speaker, modern equipment and evolving tastes, there HAS to be some of that bottom end, or yohr record can't ever compete on any level. Like, it has to sound good on the radio, next to the prominent regional and national acts that it hopefully will be played alongside...

and that's just the BASS; the guitars have been a NIGHTMARE, woth tuning issues, percussive 'chukkas' that muck up the mix, etc.

Yeah...I thought 'we'll just go in and bash out 8-9 songs and mix 'em and call that a record.'

That was over 9 months ago, we're almost halfway through, but with no real end in sight.

:banghead:

This post illustrates perfectly what I tell young kids that want a career in the music business: Go to school.

Go to Berkelee School of Music, USC Film school, UCLA Film school, NYU, etc. There are very few people working successfully (and by that, I mean actually earning "real" money) in the music business that didn't graduate from one of those prestigious schools.

Whether it Film/TV composition and production, Music Supervision, marketing and promotions, songwriting, etc., it's nearly impossible to compete with well-educated and extremely talented individuals that had had the benefit of a music education taught by the world's best teachers.

You're a mid-20's guy in Missouri that's needed more than nine months to cut 12 songs. I know film and TV composer/producers that create 12 Master Quality tracks per day.

It's a really, really tough road otherwise. Good luck, Dude!

DaneMcCloud 03-07-2013 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 9474136)
Yeah. They were very efficient pavers. :thumb:

Actually, the deal with Days of the New is that Travis wanted to be "different" and have no electric guitars allowed, ever. Then he went on to have substance abuse issues, fired the band (which became Tantric, with a new singer), then put out an electronic record.

It's a shame because he was a talented dude but a complete train wreck. Oh, and he had the stage presence of a can of soup.

DaneMcCloud 03-07-2013 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9474151)
Speaking of GNR, did anyone catch the VH1 concert from london last saturday?

Gotta say, they sounded awesome... Axls voice hasnt been that good in ten years, it was GREAT to hear all of the stuff from the Illusion albums live.

Axl looks like he's kinda going through the motions more than i ever remember, he doesnt have that physical fire he used to, but still, he sounded very good.

Feel like punching myself in the junk for forgetting to record it... it made them seem relevant again.

All of those "Live Concerts" go through an enormous amount of audio post-production, including tuning the vocals with with either Autotune or Melodyne.

That said, the new GNR band is comprised of some ridiculously talented players but to me, they come off as bland because they're so good. Slash and Duff and Izzy and Steven were "feel" players. The difference between Matt and Adler's drumming is shocking and Matt's songs don't "feel" anywhere near as "good" as Steven's. This was no more apparent than their Rock And Roll Hall of Fame induction, where Guns and Roses sounded like Guns and Roses (minus Axl).

Deberg_1990 03-07-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9474206)
All of those "Live Concerts" go through an enormous amount of audio post-production, including tuning the vocals with with either Autotune or Melodyne.

That said, the new GNR band is comprised of some ridiculously talented players but to me, they come off as bland because they're so good. Slash and Duff and Izzy and Steven were "feel" players. The difference between Matt and Adler's drumming is shocking and Matt's songs don't "feel" anywhere near as "good" as Steven's. This was no more apparent than their Rock And Roll Hall of Fame induction, where Guns and Roses sounded like Guns and Roses (minus Axl).

Dane, do you think we will ever get an Axel/Slash reunion in our lifetime?


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