It's more of a size to speed ratio....not just tall guys who are fast.

Oh, I agree with you. Whenever they talk they say they have a shared philosophy. I think we can both agree what that philosophy is in regards to cornerbacks. I suspect that philosophy is the same for WR, but not sure.

Unless a team picking early wants to trade back up late in the round to pick up their guy for something like this year's and next year's 2nd or something like that.

Yeah there doesn't seem to be a consistency unless Reid is telling him to pick up smaller speed guys. All the receivers we've picked up other than Hemmingway fit the little dood receiver profile.

There really is consistency in how they draft. Dorsey is a size-speed ratio guy for pretty much every position. Just look at our previous draft class and it's similar to what he has been a part of drafting before. Big guys who can move and run relatively fast, the smaller they are the faster they have to be. Of course that player has to have good production to go along with the speed/size, but Dorsey does make exceptions and is willing to take chances and a superior physical specimen (Fisher over Joeckel, Knile Davis over every RB that was left, Sanders Commings, small school Catapano, Travis Kelce and his character concerns, etc).

Seems there's some pigeon holing going on with very little samples to hole the pigeon with.

Nah, I looked at the picks that he was involved with in GB as well. The vast majority of them were very similar to what he did with our picks this year.

Packers 1st picks spanning from 2005:

2005: Aaron Rodgers, QB, CAL: 6'2", 4.71 40
(2nd round pick was Nick Collins out of Bethune, he ran a 4.36 at 5'11" and 206 pounds)

2006: AJ Hawk, LB, Ohio State: 6'1", 248 pounds, 4.59 40

2007: Justin Harrell, DT, Tenn: 6'4.3", 300 pounds, 5.04 40 with a 1.67 10 yard split

2008: Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State: 6'2.5", 217 pounds, 4.51 40 with a 1.50 10 yard split

2009: BJ Raji, DT, Boston College: 6'1.4", 337 pounds, 5.12 40 with a 1.69 10 yard split.

2010: Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa: 6'5.3", 315 pounds, 5.20 40 with a 1.78 10-yard split
(His 2nd round pick was a 6'3" DE who weighed 294 pounds and ran a 4.87 40 with a 1.60 10-yard split)

2011: Derek Sherrod, OT, Miss. State: 6'5.3", 321 pounds, 5.18 40 with a 1.81 10-yard split. (2nd round pick was Randall Cobb who we all know is an explosive play-maker)

2012: Nick Perry, OLB/DE, USC: 6'2.6", 271 pounds, 4.55 40 with a 1.51 10-yard split

The majority of the Packers picks consisted of players that were similar to this. Our first draft class was consistent with this as well. I think it's safe to assume that, when it comes down to it, Dorsey actually does value height-speed-weight pretty highly when he is looking at prospects.

Hemingway was a leftover Pioli pick.

Yeah, I don't know how much you can extrapolate from one draft. Dorsey was in GB but he didn't have final say.

Still, it says something when he pretty much followed the same trend that they had going in GB. Plus, he was head of their scouting department so he had a ton of influence in who they selected, he just wasn't the one who actually made the final call. Dorsey gets a lot of credit for the players that GB has had success with, Director of College scouting from 2000-2012.

Now that he is making the calls himself, judging from his first year selections, he hasn't deviated from the trend that GB had going. It's not shocking that every player he selected was among the most explosive and athletic at their given positions when they were on the board.

Sanders was arguably the fastest FS prospect in that draft class. No other safety ran a 4.41 at that combine I think. Closest was Earl Wolff with a 4.42.

Dorsey did a great job with UDFAs and picking up players off the scrap heap. However, I would feel a little better if the drafted players had been more productive. Hopefully most of it was just due to the injuries and that was just a freak thing.

Yeah, I'm hoping that too. I saw good things from Knile Davis, Catapano, Kush, and Fisher later in the year. The real wildcards are Kelce and Commings. The rest at least showed flashes and improvement in their rookie year.

Fisher ended up in the tub. That's not showing improvement later in the year.

you make a good point. I think your correct.

There is an NFL Insider article (dont have access) talking about a size/speed formula.

Someone else created a Height Adjusted Speed Score (HASS), but I havent seen the formula.

This is the most detailed study I have found looking analyzing 816 wide receivers.

in that study, the author used an Explosive Power ratio
along with other filters such as Speed Score, 3-cone time, and production.

Nice to look at, but dont think its all that accurate.

Not sure if any of you guys have read this article or if it's Q but:

Seems like Dorsey is trying his hand at the NfL's version of moneyball.