As an aside, why the heck are we so good at drafting RBs and so bad at drafting WRs? We're a pass-happy team; you'd think it'd be the other way around?

I partially agree with you here.

The Super Bowl loss was losing both OT's and not being particularly good inside, either. They'd developed Hudson, and they'd developed Morse; it just turned out that Reiter sucked balls. And Wylie, as we've established, blows goats. So, I mean, you know, you're not going to be two and three deep at OL with any quality.

Clyde was a bad pick, it's now clear, by any measure. Whether it was the injuries sapping whatever quicks he had or what, he's not good. Doesn't look like the same cat from LSU at all.

But the WR position was largely neglected for years because we had Hill, (and Watkins for a chunk of time ) and we had issues elsewhere that needed fixing. Being a GM is kind of like playing professional whack-a-mole.

Hardman was drafted during the Hill drama pt.2 Electric Boogaloo stuff, and you'll never convince me of anything other than Veach was trying to find a guy with a Hill-like skill-set just in case that all went sideways. So that's one #2 pick. Not a bust, exactly, but didn't develop into what we hoped. Was some of that due to being behind Hill? Well, injuries robbed us of finding out last year, but it doesn't seem Reid and Veach think so.

Pringle was what a 7th? Powell a 5th? And other than that, it's been cheap signings and UDFA types.

Until Moore, and I know a lot of people are really down on him, but I didn't expect he'd get a lot of reps with 4 vets in front of him. So there's a second #2 pick. And traded for Toney, a former #1 pick only one season removed.

So I'd say there's been a quite sudden and serious attempt to start adding talent to the room. You can't do it to the detriment of the rest of the football team (which was always my argument against a Dhop/OBJ type) but you can and must draft and develop guys in these expensive positions like DE, OT, CB, and WR if you're paying an elite QB.

I mean, it's just common sense.

I believe Skyy was compared to Julian Edelman even though they have different backgrounds...There are probably many other examples that are much better but Julian Edelman went from 235 yards to over 1050. Granted he played more games but huge part of increase was him just getting better and more of an opportunity. Edelman was a 7th round pick and college QB so it may have taken him longer than what it may take Skyy to really establish himself as a receiver.

The Chiefs had a top 3 offensive line that outplayed even the Eagles line in the Super Bowl. They have a great QB in Mahomes and Kelce who was in essence to top 1-5 receiver/TE in the game last year. Best TE for sure and not many receivers ahead of him.

If it wasn't about roster spots and more about cap space, Chiefs and even some other teams that have a great TE or receiver and need depth should have signed Nelson Agholor and Julio Jones.

Neither is great or even very good but both significantly better than the stats they have put up the past 1-2 years. Mac Jones and Patriots offensive line setup Agholor for failure. Bucs had bad offensive line/no run game and poor roster construction around Brady. Jones isn't old Julio but a little better than his stats indicate. Chiefs probably pass on him simply because Toney is injury prone and Jones is also injury prone.

When you have a great QB and a great offensive line and outstanding TE, you clearly don't need a number 1 receiver or even 2 strong #2's.

Chiefs have also shown they can succeed while playing more than one TE at once.

Instant gratification appears to be the domain of losers. Like what the Rams are right now

I doubt they thought it wasn't worth it, a Superbowl win is the ultimate goal afterall.

Hell, I compared Skyy to Edelman when he was drafted. He may end up being similar, though I doubt he'll ever be as good. But 75-80% of Edelman would be worthwhile.

i disagree that KC's OL was better than PHI's. Strike that; that's not what you said. Yes, the KC OL did outplay PHI's OL in the SB. Some luck was involved. Just the fact that Wylie was our starting RT tells you something about how lucky we got. Field conditions helped our OL quite a bit in the SB, in particular Wylie's performance, but also OBJ's.

Also, I think Andy schemed up the right mix of moving pockets, chips, rushes (in the 2nd half), etc. to keep the PHI DL guessing instead of being able to pin their ears back on every snap. And of course they got extremely unlucky with the number and frequency of slipping with PHI EDGEs. 5-6 fewer slips by certain guys might've changed the outcome of the game.

The lack of reliable productive depth is concerning, I think to anyone that can read the stats of our current WR room. No, we don't need a true 1, but a solid 2 I think is absolutely necessary to get back to the SB. But maybe that's just me.

I think either Nick or Broussard said that a SB win was worth over 1 billion dollars in revenue to the winning team, so yeah, I'm sure they think it was worth it.

this is the one coaching staff that I think the Chiefs have had that I can remember, players actually do develop and get better over time. Back in the day, if the Chiefs drafted someone either they sucked and stayed suck or they were awesome at first, got paid and then sucked.

we'll be fine at WR. There's still the draft, Veach likes doing mid season trades and we have the guru designing plays and we have Travis Kelce.

With a team with a core of Mahomes, Travis, Thuney and Jones, you have to have position groups were you go cheap, mainly through drafting talented young players.

Veach very well could have just decided that the WR is now a place where he will invest draft capital instead of salary cap money. I'm fine with it. I will know in about a month.

Jeezus, it's nice to have a rational conversation about this. It's been awhile.

Just bear in mind that we've never developed a WR in the Reid era, except Hill, and he's not a normal WR. It's very odd to me, when we have no problems developing RBs or even TEs, but it is what it is.

ya that's true. Hardman kinda just stayed the same for his 4 years and suffered bad injuries last season. It's not entirely up to just the coaching staff, the player has to want to get better and do what's necessary to get better. When I looked at Tyreek, he's gotta be one of the most in-shape players in the NFL and you can tell he puts in all of the extra work required.

We haven't really drafted too many WR's. Skyy being the only 2nd rounder and I think there was Chris Conley in the 3rd. Robinson (5th?) And then Powell who's on the practice squad, I could be forgetting someone too.

I'm still crossing my fingers that Justynn Ross turns into that what coulda been player, if he didn't have that spinal cord issue and concussion in college he probably would have been a 1st round pick.

Well, again, though, we really haven't tried other than Hardman, which was a bit of an emergency shot given the Hill situation at the time.

We've largely neglected to try for years.

But Moore in the 2nd, and Toney a 1st from the previous draft would indicate an intent.

Reek had the advantage of speed/quickness, so he didn't have to be a great route-runner to get open. that quickness allowed him to avoid getting jammed and then he could just run by guys. He developed his release/stem/breaks as his career went on. But as a speed WR. He never had to be as precise about his footwork or his hand-fighting technique like a Larry Fitzgerald/Jerry Rice or more normal-speed WR.

'Normal' WRs have to have or acquire those kinds of skills or their time is short in the NFL. Skyy has nice footwork (still needs work, but he's further ahead than Hardman is right now) but he showed troubles getting off jams. I suspect he's working on that right now.

I'm not holding my breath as far as the Ross' are concerned. Any production Andy gets out of them will just be icing on the cake. doubt Andy can count on anything there.

Well, Andy has no real consistent history of developing WRs in PHI either. He had Jackson, who's really an advanced role player, and a couple 'decent' WRs he drafted, and that's about it. I'm not scared, but it's at least a concern.

Toney just needs to be healthy. I'm not really concerned whether people think he's a 1 or 2. He's a starter if he can be healthy, period. Problem is, he has no history of being able to do that.

Skyy . . . I want him to be good. I think at worst he could be a reliable short-range possession WR. On another team he'd probably spend his career in the slot.

But he has shortcomings that I'm not sure are all fixable by the last quarter of the 2023 season. I'm more than a little uncertain that Skyy will catch 80 balls this season. 50-55 seems a lot more realistic.