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TribalElder 07-23-2023 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 17027320)
Is he still miffed about his buddy Frank and is willing to get hardnosed now?
I wondered how much Frank not being here is effecting things as well

O.city 07-23-2023 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by emaw1979 (Post 17027921)
What leverage does he have? He's under contract, and it's already cost him 100k to miss two days. 50k per day adds up quickly. Additionally, if he misses a preseason game, he will be fined 1/18th of his salary per preseason game. NFL teams are no longer allowed to forgive these fines.

This won't last long. He has little to no leverage.

I'd permit him to seek a trade if he is unwilling to lower his demands or play under the current contract.
The chiefs can’t financially tag him next year, so his contract numbers will start with that.

It’s too late to trade him

The chiefs ain’t got much leverage here

Balto 07-23-2023 06:07 PM
While I voted Chiefs will pay the man, give me some trade ideas some have.

Balto 07-23-2023 06:36 PM
Thoughts on a Washington deal that send Jones to them and a package of Jonathan Allen, Chase Young and draft compensation to us?

Marcellus 07-23-2023 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17028060)
The chiefs can’t financially tag him next year, so his contract numbers will start with that.

It’s too late to trade him

The chiefs ain’t got much leverage here
It won’t come to any of this but I think the team has the
leverage.

Jones is under contract to make around $20MM this season. He sits out and he doesn’t get credit for the year and KC still owns his right. Jones really has little leverage.

Balto 07-23-2023 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 17028100)
It won’t come to any of this but I think the team has the
leverage.

Jones is under contract to make around $20MM this season. He sits out and he doesn’t get credit for the year and KC still owns his right. Jones really has little leverage.

He can always show up week 11 and get credit. That could also backfire if we still look good those first 10 weeks without him.

O.city 07-23-2023 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 17028100)
It won’t come to any of this but I think the team has the
leverage.

Jones is under contract to make around $20MM this season. He sits out and he doesn’t get credit for the year and KC still owns his right. Jones really has little leverage.
Who do the chiefs plan to play on the dl if he sits out?

They can’t financially tag him next year so they’d have to let him walk

Red Dawg 07-23-2023 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17027777)
Jones has a ton of leverage right now

Smart for him to use it financially
He has no leverage. In fact if he does show up he will probably only give half ass bevuae his money is nothing in 2024. He would be smart to sign and not be a dick.

Marcellus 07-23-2023 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 17028136)
He can always show up week 11 and get credit. That could also backfire if we still look good those first 10 weeks without him.
Losing 10 weeks of game checks ($12MM+) then gets tagged and obviously can’t sit out 10 weeks again so he has no leverage then either.

Marcellus 07-23-2023 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17028138)
Who do the chiefs plan to play on the dl if he sits out?

They can’t financially tag him next year so they’d have to let him walk
Same strategy as if he got hurt I guess.

And the idea they can’t tag him next year is asinine at this point. Sure they could if it came to it. It’s not ideal by any means.

emaw1979 07-23-2023 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 17028136)
He can always show up week 11 and get credit. That could also backfire if we still look good those first 10 weeks without him.
He'd likely owe the Chiefs money if he sat out until week 11. He'd be out 13/18 of 19.5 million salary for missing preseason+10 regular season games. Then he misses 50k per day in training camp, which I'm not sure carries into the regular season or not.

It would make Laveon Bell's decision look great.

Sassy Squatch 07-23-2023 07:55 PM
Players have evolved beyond holding out. He'd probably hold in and claim a back injury or something of the sort if it came down to that level of acrimony in the negotiations.

Chieftain 07-23-2023 08:11 PM
This is what I hate about the NFL. Players holding out while under contract. You signed a ****ing contract dude and are obligated to play as per the agreement of that contract. It's not as if the guy is a RB looking for his first big deal. He already got that first big deal money. At this point it's all about greed and maximizing profit of what you think you are worth. Andy didn't look too pleased today when asked the question of CJ's holdout.

emaw1979 07-23-2023 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17028060)
The chiefs can’t financially tag him next year, so his contract numbers will start with that.

It’s too late to trade him

The chiefs ain’t got much leverage here
While I get the Chiefs probably don't want to tag him next year for financial reasons, he doesn't want to wait until next year to get a contract. He will lose massive value, especially if he starts showing injury/decline. 30 is a lot older than 29 in the NFL. He will never make up the value in the open market next year.

Chiefshrink 07-23-2023 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 17028207)
This is what I hate about the NFL. Players holding out while under contract. You signed a ****ing contract dude and are obligated to play as per the agreement of that contract. It's not as if the guy is a RB looking for his first big deal. He already got that first big deal money. At this point it's all about greed and maximizing profit of what you think you are worth. Andy didn't look too pleased today when asked the question of CJ's holdout.
I get your point and agree but I think Chris has the leverage here and we all know it is a business and when you are a star and can back it up especially when you are young, contracts don't mean squat and the great young players know this.:shrug: Bellichek wouldn't give Seymour the big contract.


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