Well, if we did only give up a 2nd rounder for Cassel and Vrabel, I gues I am not disappointed. This could be alright. I wanted to draft Stafford or Sanchez, but neither of those guys have done it in the NFL. Cassel has. I hope he isn't just a one year wonder. I will defer to Pioli's judgement on that. At least now we have the starting QB position settled and we can go about fixing other things like defense. :)

Amen.

I would have hated to have Cassel here with Herm.

With Haley, I'm much, much more at ease.

Matt Ryan was last year's Drew Brees. A good/great college QB who put up numbers over a full career, but was marked down on draft boards for whatever reason.

Brees took hits for his size. Ryan didn't have that problem - he has the prototypical build (6'4", 220#), but coming out of Boston College, draft "experts" thought he did not face good enough competition.

Fact of the matter is both were overlooked QBs who proved they can play at a high level over several seasons.

Sanchez should have stayed in college!

Intelligence
Swagger/Confidence
Accuracy
Arm Strength

That's how I rank QB attributes in terms of importance.

if stafford is available at three we could make out like bandits trading down

I think this deal states that Pioli and Haley clearly weren't sold on the QBs in this draft, at least Sanchez. Now we will overpay for a LB or RT most likely because we didn't want to draft Sanchez IMO.

No chance. We're not going to pay a QB $14M to sit on the bench, and Pioli's not going to risk his reputation by having his signature acquisition on the bench behind Tyler Thigpen...

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You're right. We should have drafted a spread QB at number 12. Could you be any more disingenuous?

Pioli is an Idiot! Wastes a high pick on a 33 year old LB and a 7th round QB wtf..

I dont think the job will get handed to Cassell if Tyler outperforms him at camp. If its close, probably but if Thigpen clearly outperforms Cassell Thigpen will be our starter. I dont see that happenening though, Thigpen blows.

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What round was Brady drafted?

Hate the deal but now that it's done I wonder if we can find someone to trade down with and get our 2nd back...

I seriously can't stop laughing.

Mecca is probably at a bar drinking the pain away.

You're right, I would have much rather had someone like Michael Johnson over Cassel and Vrabel.

:rolleyes:

well, I'd much rather have Stafford....


but look, we brought Pioli in to clean house and he's done it....nothing we can do now but assume - and frankly pray - that he knows what he is doing...

and a 2nd is palatable....(and i bet Pioli will try everything to trade down now...yes, i know it is neigh impossible)

the upside:

No thigpen
our 1st round pick which gives us leverage
a clear #1 QB who is young-ish

ok, so get over it and let's remake this shitpile...

we got a QB...not the one most wanted, but we got one

Clearly this deal means that we won't be drafting Curry at 3!

/Darth CarlSatan

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I think that would be to social of an event for him.

If I had to bet money, I'd say that's precisely what we'll look to do.

Agreed. Thigpen is a solid back-up. I don't even think there will be a "show" competition. His brightest hope would be to be released and get signed by another team.

Tyler, if you are reading this, just know - you will always be a legend in KC for three reasons:

1. The touchdown reception
2. The skeleton picture
3. And most importantly - posting on ChiefsPlanet

To be fair, there were a lot of people on this forum who really liked Brees coming out of school and there were a lot of heated debates about him.

Curry would now have a mentor as far as preperation and on field play go...

Expect Mike Reilly, or John Parker Wilson being drafted in the 4th or 5th round

Im pretty sure that turned out to be an impostor.

I certainly agree with you that Cassel has a lot to prove still. He had tons of weapons in NE that the Chiefs certainly don't have..at least with WR and O-line. But at least he's only a second round pick experiment, and if he pans out, great, if not then we look at Bradford next year maybe..

Nobody screwed anybody in this trade. Both Belichick and Pioli know value.
The Patriots just cleared 20 million off their books to go after FA's. And they now have picks 23 and 35.
The Chiefs get the qb pioli has evaluated as being better than stafford or sanchez and Vrabel for a 2nd round pick and they still have their #3

Fans tend to think their team screwed the other team or that they got screwed. We'll just have to live with the fact its a great move for both franchises.
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You're right, the more I think about it the dumber I feel for thinking it. Oh well...:(

I think everyone has a reasonable complaint with this trade....after all we won two whole games last year. Why would you shoot for more? :shake:

Same here.

And it took 3 seasons for him to prove me wrong. They had to handle him with kid gloves for a long time before he would actually throw the ball downfield.

Smart move there would just take Stafford especially if Cassell wasnt signed to a long term deal. We have the cap room to take both and then auction one of them off next year.

Damn....I go out for a few hours and all hell breaks loose....Pioli obviously did not like what he saw from Jesus Sanchez at the combine.

I thought we got confirmation via his facebook page.

Yeah I hoped he remembered Cassel had Moss and Welker at the Patriots and a top ten defense..

I would rather have Mark Sanchez and Jamon Merideth than Cassel and Vrabel.

Who gives a crap what round Cassel was drafted? He's good now. If they got Brady would you pissing and moaning they got a sixth round qb?
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I wouldn't automatically assume Curry is the #3 pick.

Pioli isn't stupid, he knows what the value of inside LB's are. I could see us trading down and taking a more workman-like guy over taking somebody with limited game-breaking credentials at #3.

OK, I'd rather have Cassel than Bradford.

we could but i have a hard time not believing that we wont sign him long term.

I don't like the fact that there is no longevity in this deal. We only get Cassel for one year. Two things could happen. What if Cassel is the next Tom Brady, how are we going to keep him? What kind of rights would the Chiefs have for him after next year?

Steps are being taken to shore up those areas as well. ;)

Vrabel = excellent leadership & mentor as well as player.

We still have the draft & FA to address WR and other defensive needs.

Sending Jared Allen packing instead of LJ will go down as Carl Peterson's most braindead move.....

I would rather have Matt Cassel, Vrabel, and Aaron Curry/Crabtree/Eugene Monroe than Mark Sanchez and Jamon Merideth.

Nahh Im pretty sure I remember the guy claiming to be Thigpen apologizing to everyone and saying it was fun while it lasted.

but that would cost us #3 AND another pick

He'll have Tony Gonzales here. The Patriots don't have anything close to that kind of a safety valve.

IF we can shore up the right side of the line, there's no reason to think any decent QB, Cassel included, couldn't succeed here. Hell, Tyler Thigpen put up respectable numbers.

You're ignoring the fact we still have the #3.

I'd rather have Cassel, Vrabel, and the #3 pick over Sanchez and Merideth.

I would LOVE this. Move back and pick up another second, and a first or second next year and get a weapon at WR or a LB further back in the first.

This.

Anybody else surprised to learn, upon further review, that Matt Cassel rushed for 270 yards last year?

and if we do manage to trade down and pick up a 2nd (yes, i know the rarity of it) then this became a hilariously good deal (in terms of positional value i.e. getting a QB)....and yes i know he could suck and it will turn out to be stupid...

but if we trade down we essentially get him for nothing

So we could draft the likes of Kyle Boller?

Do you know something about a WR move?

In reality, you could have all four.

He won't go into the season without a new deal. Stop with the crazy talk and enjoy the moment! :thumb:

You're basically getting that, except the guys we got bring experience & leadership in the new system we are implementing.

To be perfectly honest, prior to Cassel's season at the helm in NE, I would have taken Sanchez (more likely Stafford) over Cassel. Cassel and Sanchez are very similar: USC backups with little/no collegiate experience with good short/intermediate accuracy & questionable deep accuracy.

I have absolutely no doubt Pioli would love the trade down, but I'm not sure there will be a player sitting at #3 that will create enough desire to make a team want to trade up and give up a huge contract.

That's what it comes down to for me, too.

not surprised, he was #2 behind thigpen IIRC

Cassell and Vrabel for 34th overall?

JIZZ IN MY PANTS!

I am willing to say that Pioli is going to be actively searching for a trade down partner now to make up for the loss of the second rounder.

Nope. He's a mobile QB--a facet of this game that isn't talked about. But he isn't a guy who will tuck the ball under if he doesn't like his first read.

Depends on what happens with the QB's and OT's at the top.

No. I'm not ignoring.

I believe that Sanchez is going to be a much better QB than Cassel.
If I'm right, then the trade isn't a good value.

I hope to hell I'm proven wrong.

Well, at least now, I'll only have to watch the first half hour of the draft coverage on that Saturday.

The "only a 2nd" would be more palatable if it weren't basically a late 1st. That's a really high "only a 2nd".

Oh well, what's done is done.

But is our o-line or receivers as good as the Pats?

Exactly the bottom-line. No doubt about it, IMHO.

Nice job, Mr. Pioli. :thumb:

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And Joe Montana had Rice and Taylor and a top ten defense Michael Smith said made this case on ESPN. Name a great qb who didn't have good people surrounding him
Not every qb could have done the things cassel did last year.

I saw a post where someone said cassel took them from 16-0 to 11-5
It was the patriot defense that caused 4 of those losses only the Indy game can an argument be made that Brady would have made the difference. A more intelligent analysis would be that with 95 percent of the qbs out there the patriots would have gone 8-8 or 9-7
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Pioli: Hey Bob. In exchange for Cassel and Vrabel I'll give you the thiiiiirrrrd....
Kraft: Deal!
Pioli:..iefourth overall

What picks do we have left....I thought we drafted at #35 seeing as we are at #3?

you don't trade down in advance. get tenative deals in place if you like, but wait until draft day and auction the pick off while you're on the clock.

That's what I think too. He knows value.

And if we somehow get Cassel and Vrabel and end up with, say the #15 and #40 picks in the draft, Pioli might as well be annointed because he's a goddamn genious (CP spelling).

Cassel has as many 400 yard games as John Elway.

probably should have said "as of right now"

I'm guessing we stock up on OL, WR, and DE....as much as possible in the draft and FA.

If we do, with the youth of this team and the talent we do have....we are on our way toward a big step forward.

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Uhh no. No more than anyone else, let's put it that way.

I just see a need, and I'm sure Pioli & Haley see it as well. We have Bowe, Gonzalez, & a platoon of bodies. We need another wideout to run the scheme effectively.

Be that Boldin, Housh, Crabtree, Maclin, or whomever, the need remains. Seeing Pioli in action assures me that it will be addressed! :thumb:

FTR, I hope we get a TE to replace Gonzo in the draft. There are several available this year. I'd be stoked if we got Coffman or Ingram in the 3rd round.

So we would have someone who isn't afraid to draft a QB, and then draft another if he ****ed the first time.

Two words.

Tony.

Gonzales.

well said!

No. But keep in mind that Cassel's o-line was banged up a lot this year. It wasn't nearly as good this year as it was last year.